Possible new delay on SRT Caliber

Not completely positive but I was doing my homework and might have stumbled across something.

There is a possiblilty that the SRT may not be coming out until October 2007. NO I cannot print nor give you my source - Sorry. You just have to trust me on this one, remember I did post pics of at least one of them I saw.

I really hope I am wrong on this one!!!!!!! I any one knows better please let me know so I can edit this thread.

if you stumbled accross something publicly and aren't willing to share it i don't know what you're hoping to get out of this thread.

That's interesting.... :rolleyes:

Only time will tell, but I've been a part of 3 new vehicles launched (Dodge Caliber, JEEP Compas & JEEP Patriot) at the Belvidere Assembly Plant in the last year. I'm still holding strong to my guess of late July 2007 which makes the SRT-4 a 2008 model.

Dodge has been saying Spring 2007 for MY2008 all along. So it may slip into summer. But Fall, I don't think so. Unless, there is some real issues with the car. And the silence from Dodge may confirm something is not right...
Hope I'm wrong!:confused:

Dodge has been saying Spring 2007 for MY2008 all along. So it may slip into summer. But Fall, I don't think so. Unless, there is some real issues with the car. And the silence from Dodge may confirm something is not right...
Hope I'm wrong!:confused:

when there are production issues (i.e. robots on the caliber) that tends to make its way to the public.... silence is more about competition. They like to keep mazda and others guessing as long as possible not just us

So this info is not public?? Link!?

I "visited" the local Dodge dealer today....due to a stalling Caliber:eek: ,and I asked about the SRT 4.The salesguy told me that they were promised this model for introduction here in Denmark in June 07`....but in the same moment he told me, that he was very sure it was not gonna happen....they have trouble enough getting "normal" Calibers.They just received 43 cars,and they were already sold!
Regards,
Peter

I "visited" the local Dodge dealer today....due to a stalling Caliber:eek: ,and I asked about the SRT 4.The salesguy told me that they were promised this model for introduction here in Denmark in June 07`....but in the same moment he told me, that he was very sure it was not gonna happen....they have trouble enough getting "normal" Calibers.They just received 43 cars,and they were already sold!
Regards,
Peter

Yeah, that doesn't sound likely.... since they cant even get them released here in North America properly...

I "visited" the local Dodge dealer today....due to a stalling Caliber:eek: ,and I asked about the SRT 4.The salesguy told me that they were promised this model for introduction here in Denmark in June 07`....but in the same moment he told me, that he was very sure it was not gonna happen....they have trouble enough getting "normal" Calibers.They just received 43 cars,and they were already sold!
Regards,
Peter
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Are there really that many people waiting for the release? How many people are ready to drop the dough for one? Just wondering.

Randy

Are there really that many people waiting for the release? How many people are ready to drop the dough for one? Just wondering.

Randy

I would, but I want to read the reviews and have a test drive before handing over cash. Also with the new STI/EVO coming out after August I am pondering perhaps holding off and getting one of those... who knows at this point, we need the thing to come out first

The start of this thread was about when the Caliber SRT-4 would be available in terms of public launch, not if the dealerships can order all they would like. Of course everyone who wants one will not be able to have one when they want, much like the regular Caliber. This is what helps make these cars so special and they hold their value too! :)

Latest rumblings........SRT4 has been de-tuned to 280HP, currently is failing emissions testing thus latest delay pushing launch to summer 2007.
AWD being developed for 2008.5/2009 MY in fact SRT4 might be delayed until AWD system is ago. Which will make the first Caliber SRT4's AWD with no fwd model being offered.

Latest rumblings........SRT4 has been de-tuned to 280HP, currently is failing emissions testing thus latest delay pushing launch to summer 2007.
AWD being developed for 2008.5/2009 MY in fact SRT4 might be delayed until AWD system is ago. Which will make the first Caliber SRT4's AWD with no fwd model being offered.

LOL, the SRT is not being detuned and the 2008 Caliber SRT is FWD.

Latest rumblings........SRT4 has been de-tuned to 280HP, currently is failing emissions testing thus latest delay pushing launch to summer 2007.
AWD being developed for 2008.5/2009 MY in fact SRT4 might be delayed until AWD system is ago. Which will make the first Caliber SRT4's AWD with no fwd model being offered.

Man this guy must get his info from laughy taffy wrappers.:D

Man this guy must get his info from laughy taffy wrappers.:D

Amazing accuracy, let's hope he's 100% accurate and they are coming out with an AWD model for 2008.5/2009 MY!

That would allow them to slot in a compact sedan as an SRT-4 FWD, Neon successor, and elevate them to compete with the WRX and Ralliart.

Latest rumblings........SRT4 has been de-tuned to 280HP, currently is failing emissions testing thus latest delay pushing launch to summer 2007.
AWD being developed for 2008.5/2009 MY in fact SRT4 might be delayed until AWD system is ago. Which will make the first Caliber SRT4's AWD with no fwd model being offered.


So I know this AWD thing has been discussed plenty, but I personally don't care if it's AWD or not. I like FWD, plus it's cheaper, plus it's lighter. Dodge-SRT.com is running a poll to see if people really care about AWD. So far, 70% of people would only buy a Caliber SRT if it was AWD. So how is it that supposedly the lines are so long to get one?

click the link in my sig to see the Poll.

So I know this AWD thing has been discussed plenty, but I personally don't care if it's AWD or not. I like FWD, plus it's cheaper, plus it's lighter. Dodge-SRT.com is running a poll to see if people really care about AWD. So far, 70% of people would only buy a Caliber SRT if it was AWD. So how is it that supposedly the lines are so long to get one?

click the link in my sig to see the Poll.

Sweet thanks, I just cast my vote for the AWD model. I'd pay $25k for it. They should keep a FWD $20k SRT vehicle in the lineup too, but I'd buy an AWD SRT-4 if they made it. Too bad they only have the Caliber and no sedan, they could have the Caliber be the AWD and the sedan be the FWD...

I know I'm a minority, but I'd rather a FWD Caliber SRT 4 than an AWD one. I've been smitten with HP FWD cars since I first test drove a 1985 Shelby Charger new. Sice then there have been a few in my garage, 87 GLHS, 87 Shelby Lancer, 05 SRT4 ACR. I have had no problems getting them to hook up on street tires. I like the challenge. What is the fun of just going WOT from a dead stop? I like DRIVING my cars, I'd prefer NO ABS, NO TC, none of that crap. I can handle my car myself thank you very much..

i feel the same way

also, awd can bring a whole new list of problems ie: drivetrain power loss, broken axles, more stress on the trans...

I definetly would only go for AWD. Im just not a fan of FWD cars especially due to the fact that i live well into the snow belt. I personally find RWD cars easier to control in snow/ice... just harder to get moving in the first place. Im definetly drooling over the SRT 4 caliber but i wouldnt get one unless its an auto and AWD. Think getrag 6 speed paddle shift ;)

i feel the same way

also, awd can bring a whole new list of problems ie: drivetrain power loss, broken axles, more stress on the trans...

Yah, obviously AWD is not a feasible technology for a performance car...

Yah, obviously AWD is not a feasible technology for a performance car...

Yah, dont you know all serious race cars are AWD? Look at Nascar/ NHRA/ Indy/ F-1. Oh, nevermind....


I still stand by my statement that I personally would rather FWD than AWD. I drive my S3 ACR on DAB3 all the time, rain, snow, whatever. I have never had a problem getting the car to hook up. It just takes a good touch on the clutch and throttle. I've driven a WRX, and an Audi Quattro, and don't really care for the dynamics of either vehicle through corners, not to mention the unnecessary (to me) parasitic drag in the drivetrain AWD is for Jeeps IMHO.

Yah, dont you know all serious race cars are AWD? Look at Nascar/ NHRA/ Indy/ F-1. Oh, nevermind....


I still stand by my statement that I personally would rather FWD than AWD. I drive my S3 ACR on DAB3 all the time, rain, snow, whatever. I have never had a problem getting the car to hook up. It just takes a good touch on the clutch and throttle. I've driven a WRX, and an Audi Quattro, and don't really care for the dynamics of either vehicle through corners, not to mention the unnecessary (to me) parasitic drag in the drivetrain AWD is for Jeeps IMHO.

Yeah silly me, I forgot that all true race cars are FWD. And Nascar/NHRA/Indy/F1 cars are the types of cars that you can drive on public roads all the time, so that makes perfect sense now.

I note you never said you've driven an EVO before... or a Skyline for that matter. Maybe a Lambo? No? How about a Porsche 997 Turbo... Hmm, nevermind.

Point is, FWD is the worst drivetrain of the 3 in terms of driving dynamics, it has zero advantages in handling or traction over RWD or AWD. It's not impossible for racing, it's just the least desirable layout.

And if you read my response, you would note that I was responding to the notion that AWD meant greater parasitic losses, broken axles, and more stress on the trans. It's obviously not that hard to overcome...

Originally Posted by Murfman
Yah, dont you know all serious race cars are AWD? Look at Nascar/ NHRA/ Indy/ F-1. Oh, nevermind....


I still stand by my statement that I personally would rather FWD than AWD. I drive my S3 ACR on DAB3 all the time, rain, snow, whatever. I have never had a problem getting the car to hook up. It just takes a good touch on the clutch and throttle. I've driven a WRX, and an Audi Quattro, and don't really care for the dynamics of either vehicle through corners, not to mention the unnecessary (to me) parasitic drag in the drivetrain AWD is for Jeeps IMHO.
Yeah silly me, I forgot that all true race cars are FWD. And Nascar/NHRA/Indy/F1 cars are the types of cars that you can drive on public roads all the time, so that makes perfect sense now.

I note you never said you've driven an EVO before... or a Skyline for that matter. Maybe a Lambo? No? How about a Porsche 997 Turbo... Hmm, nevermind.

Point is, FWD is the worst drivetrain of the 3 in terms of driving dynamics, it has zero advantages in handling or traction over RWD or AWD. It's not impossible for racing, it's just the least desirable layout.

And if you read my response, you would note that I was responding to the notion that AWD meant greater parasitic losses, broken axles, and more stress on the trans. It's obviously not that hard to overcome...

ohhh boy .. i feel a nut swinger contest coming on here...













so i'll start.....





fwd as we all know is not the most condusive drivetrain for a drag car -( now i realize that with current suspension technology there are more than a few fwd cars running blazing times in the 1/4) for an autocross car it is more than capable of keeping up with any awd/rwd format.

IF you drive your srt in dab3 all the time you must either

1. live in califonia where it never rains or snows ( or somewhere simular)
2. must drive with drag radials on ( or atleast some sort of extremly stick tires)
3. must know how to drive the car since the srt neon is horrible for wheel hop. ( unless you have addressed that issue) And I applaud you if your statement is true.

rwd as we all know is a good setup for dragracing and autocross. Not really a need to go into this that much as we all know the pros/cons

AWD.... now here's where I personally am partial...why do you ask? Because where I live awd is nice to have when it's sleeting/snowing etc. But honestly......awd is actually easier to drive off the line. It's more forgiving in a way that allows you to make up alot of time even if you have alower powered car than the one next to you staged in the other lane. For alot of people that are just getting into drag racing awd is nice to have as it takes less finess' to get the car moving. I guess I can sum it up as I am lazy and don't want to fight the car for traction all the time.


Of course with the correct suspension setup this can all be elliviated too.

basically what it boils down to is what you want to drive since they all have there pros/cons. :cool: I have driven my eclipse very very hard and never ( amazingly) broke any drive train components....drive train shock ftl! ( which in case you didn't know can happen on any vehicle)

Now if we can get back on topic that would be great.:p

fwd as we all know is not the most condusive drivetrain for a drag car -( now i realize that with current suspension technology there are more than a few fwd cars running blazing times in the 1/4) for an autocross car it is more than capable of keeping up with any awd/rwd format.

IF you drive your srt in dab3 all the time you must either

1. live in califonia where it never rains or snows ( or somewhere simular)
No, Beautiful:confused: Chicago Ill
2. must drive with drag radials on ( or atleast some sort of extremly stick tires)
No, just replaced the stock KDWs with a new set.
3. must know how to drive the car since the srt neon is horrible for wheel hop. ( unless you have addressed that issue) And I applaud you if your statement is true.
I have only encountered Wheel Hop 2 or 3 times, the fix is easy, LIFT. The only chassis mod I have is MM inserts. I can pull 1.9 60ft times consistently.

I have been driving High HP FWD cars sice '85,
autocrossing since '94, my latest bug is open track days, I live 15 minutes from the Autobahn in Joliet, and just over an hour from Gingermann.
rwd as we all know is a good setup for dragracing and autocross. Not really a need to go into this that much as we all know the pros/cons

Since I cut my teeth in a FWD car on the autcross, I actually prefer it.

AWD.... now here's where I personally am partial...why do you ask? Because where I live awd is nice to have when it's sleeting/snowing etc. But honestly......awd is actually easier to drive off the line. It's more forgiving in a way that allows you to make up alot of time even if you have alower powered car than the one next to you staged in the other lane. For alot of people that are just getting into drag racing awd is nice to have as it takes less finess' to get the car moving. I guess I can sum it up as I am lazy and don't want to fight the car for traction all the time.

I understand, but personally, I enjoy the challenge of "driving on the edge" trying to eek out traction, I feel it makes me a better driver in all situations.


Of course with the correct suspension setup this can all be elliviated too.

basically what it boils down to is what you want to drive since they all have there pros/cons. :cool: I have driven my eclipse very very hard and never ( amazingly) broke any drive train components....drive train shock ftl! ( which in case you didn't know can happen on any vehicle)

Biggest advantage to FWD? No Drifting!! I like my rice fried:cool:

Now if we can get back on topic that would be great.:p

As to SRT4evah, I have in fact Autocrossed a Modified EVO, funny I was able to cut 2/10ths off the owners best time first time behind the wheel, but it was still slower than my GLH-S. I understand AWD has advantages, but the complexity of the drivetrain, and added drag negates these bonuses if the driver is past a certain level of skill. I am NOT proclaiming to be the next Michael Schumaker, but I can hold my own... I never drove a Lambo or AWD Porche, but I have driven a 911 Turbo, now THAT is an EVIL machine, probably the most frightening car I have ever driven. If you ever have a chance to really drive one, jump at it, just dont lift mid corner:eek: and I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night. Now lets carry on waiting for the new SRT-4:D

As to SRT4evah, I have in fact Autocrossed a Modified EVO, funny I was able to cut 2/10ths off the owners best time first time behind the wheel, but it was still slower than my GLH-S. I understand AWD has advantages, but the complexity of the drivetrain, and added drag negates these bonuses if the driver is past a certain level of skill. I am NOT proclaiming to be the next Michael Schumaker, but I can hold my own... I never drove a Lambo or AWD Porche, but I have driven a 911 Turbo, now THAT is an EVIL machine, probably the most frightening car I have ever driven. If you ever have a chance to really drive one, jump at it, just dont lift mid corner:eek: and I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night. Now lets carry on waiting for the new SRT-4:D

So what your saying is Chip Hurr needs to drop statis racings' awd audi and jump into a bmw, since obviouslyhe can drive an awd vehicle and take the podium, because that way the complex drivetrain and the added drag won't effect him. since it's slowing him down???:cool: Is that the key that he's missing to beat Randy Pobst and his menacing fwd mazda.....? If you know what I am talking about .... can you feel the sarcasim that my fingers are typing?:D

WOW! This got off the topic quick.

Hey all I said was it might be delayed until Oct 2007. This was stated way before the SRT group made a comment about "when the leaves turn".

Sorry everybody is fighting the AWD vs. FWD topic.

Either way, it looks like September 16th is the date. At least that's what I saw someone else post. And I found it on another forum as well.

Let's hope it's true!!!! Regardless of no AWD.

WOW! This got off the topic quick.

Hey all I said was it might be delayed until Oct 2007. This was stated way before the SRT group made a comment about "when the leaves turn".

Sorry everybody is fighting the AWD vs. FWD topic.

Either way, it looks like September 16th is the date. At least that's what I saw someone else post. And I found it on another forum as well.

Let's hope it's true!!!! Regardless of no AWD.

Damn! On September 1st I should have my 500HP SRT-4 in my garage, but it's almost tempting to wait on the Caliber...

Damn! On September 1st I should have my 500HP SRT-4 in my garage, but it's almost tempting to wait on the Caliber...

BUY BOTH balla!! :D

So what your saying is Chip Hurr needs to drop statis racings' awd audi and jump into a bmw, since obviouslyhe can drive an awd vehicle and take the podium, because that way the complex drivetrain and the added drag won't effect him. since it's slowing him down???:cool: Is that the key that he's missing to beat Randy Pobst and his menacing fwd mazda.....? If you know what I am talking about .... can you feel the sarcasim that my fingers are typing?:D

I'm usually too busy on the weekends, between local Autocrosses, NASA races, and Scca events during the summer, and hanging with the GLJT and Michigan 2 trackers in the winter, with my Wrangler, (See, I DO have a AWD vehicle!)to keep up with the Professional drivers are doing, so I am a bit lost, but I do understand your sarcastic tone;) I was just relating MY opinion, and in fact my ACR with a Ported Stage 3, BFMIC, 3" Thermal Turbo back, NO suspension mods aside from MM inserts, and I own my friends Modified (by AMS) Evo, and the 2002 Z06 another friend owns both on the road course and Autocross. Is it the driver? Well, my head is pretty big, but not big enough to claim that. I have bested my friends personal best on at the autocross in rantoul, driving his Evo, but I'm still faster in my ACR, or even my 87 GLHS which has custom swaybars, modified struts, and a few engine mods (StageII computer, MBC, 3"exhaust at 18 lbs of boost peak) Sure I cant flat foot it out of the corners, but I can easily hang in the corners, while pulling them in on the straights on the road course.

I'm usually too busy on the weekends, between local Autocrosses, NASA races, and Scca events during the summer, and hanging with the GLJT and Michigan 2 trackers in the winter, with my Wrangler, (See, I DO have a AWD vehicle!)to keep up with the Professional drivers are doing, so I am a bit lost, but I do understand your sarcastic tone;) I was just relating MY opinion, and in fact my ACR with a Ported Stage 3, BFMIC, 3" Thermal Turbo back, NO suspension mods aside from MM inserts, and I own my friends Modified (by AMS) Evo, and the 2002 Z06 another friend owns both on the road course and Autocross. Is it the driver? Well, my head is pretty big, but not big enough to claim that. I have bested my friends personal best on at the autocross in rantoul, driving his Evo, but I'm still faster in my ACR, or even my 87 GLHS which has custom swaybars, modified struts, and a few engine mods (StageII computer, MBC, 3"exhaust at 18 lbs of boost peak) Sure I cant flat foot it out of the corners, but I can easily hang in the corners, while pulling them in on the straights on the road course.

Murf you have my respect man! what a mature post to mine that could have been takin way wrong. Thank you !! an srt neon driver that has some class ...you are few and far between my friend! :D :D

I agree with you 100% it's all down to the driver and his abilities/tastes.

Murf you have my respect man! what a mature post to mine that could have been takin way wrong. Thank you !! an srt neon driver that has some class ...you are few and far between my friend! :D :D

I agree with you 100% it's all down to the driver and his abilities/tastes.

It must have something to do with black cars:D :D I spend too much time trying to keep them clean to worry about being an E-thug.


What was I thinking, a Black Jeep trail rig:eek:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x205/murfman_photo/zi.jpg

Yes my ACR is also black;)