Live from Orlando speed world

Live from Orlando Speed World
first pass 13.18 @109.89 MPH

step yo game up. what tires???????????????????????????

VERY nice! What was your 60'? Your trap speed theoreticaly should put you in the 12s for sure.

VERY nice! What was your 60'? Your trap speed theoreticaly should put you in the 12s for sure.

The trap is good for 12.3-12.4 with slicks. Get er done. :eek:

damn that car is moving pretty quick, still a little high but it could just be getting used to the way the caliber drives

nice times, what package were you running mod wise for these pulls?

Is that on nitrous or is that with the same mods that got you 328whp?

Is that on nitrous or is that with the same mods that got you 328whp?
Details in their other thread before going to the track

http://www.thebettencourtfamily.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/DCR%20Caliber%20400tq%20A.jpg

Is that the same car? I thought DCR had their own Csrt.

That is the DCR car.

A couple friends of mine were at the track and saw this pass, they said it looked like something on the car broke... is this true?

Nice run...can you guys post a Timeslip or a video or something to authenticate this?What MODS were they running?

Dang, I knew I should have went to the track last night. Wish I had known you guys were in FL for the day.

My car only has one sticker on it: a nice red Darrell Cox Racing sticker on the back window :D

so there was only one post with the time...any other times? or did something already break on the car ?!?!

Something must have broke. Why no update?

Something must have broke. Why no update?


LMAO!

Nothing broke.

Just a few minor issues to deal with

Uhm, something broke? Haha. If nothing broke what are the issues?

Uhm, something broke? Haha. If nothing broke what are the issues?



Its a new platform and the first time out to the track.

Need I say more? ;)

So when you guys putting an auto in it?

thats almost what laloosh ran on street tires in his ms3. He went 12.9@ 111 with intake, exhaust, bc 18psi, and fuel pump. I have a feeling these two cars are gonna be battling it out for sure. Hopefully you guys can figure out the issues with it. Good job and good luck.

Nothing broke guys, the drivetrain took the punishment but the electronics really put up a fight like james said due to minute differences in Map/Tip signals. The tires definitely were not enough as the car would easily overpower them plus come on a 13.1 roasting them 1-2nd then slight miss of 3rd yet trapping 109 with a 13.1 ET is commendable. I was there and thanks again Kevin/James

For the Orlando guys that were there, i was the one filming and what you guys heard when the car left the line was the Pcm going into limp mode thus he would have to shut the car off and then restart it to salvage the pass. If any of you up north guys are looking for one, this car was purchased at Bob Wilson Dodge in Tampa FL....they have a few more ;)

oh the 13.1 was ON slicks... didn't catch that before

oh the 13.1 was ON slicks... didn't catch that before

very narrow 25x7 on 18x8 wheels...trust me the car would have ran better on wide say 265ish BFG DRs but in short notice thats the setup they could come up with. Remember guys this car just came out so finding setups that will clear the stock brakes is difficult when you are the ONLY one experimenting

Anyway, all in all not bad at all for the first time to the track with a car that in reality is nothing more then a bolt on Caliber SRT-4. Obviously we just went 13.1, but the car (not the driver lol) had pleanty of potential for a mid 12 second pass. Total estimated cost into the car I would say is about 1000$ minus the rims/slicks.

Also, this is Kevin Van Natten's Caliber SRT-4 just like he ownes the Red Sled Neon SRT-4. All the work/development is being performed by us at DCR, but the car is owned by Kevin (Bayshore Power).
let me spell it out for those who dont understand...

Kevin Van Natten owns the Redsled which DCR built up for SFWD last year and now owns a Caliber SRT4 which DCR is using for development work on the platform. The two SRT4s are still very streetable and see street use often but one thing everyone needs to remember is having decals on the windows letting everyone know whos built/building the car doesnt mean its a shop car unless otherwise specified.

Van Natten lol not Van Hatten, but I'll give ya the B.O.D. because the "H" is right next to the "N" on the keyboard...

damn ya got me for my ebrake comments:D

Glad to hear nothing broke. I was skeptical when I first saw that since I have extreme faith in the SRT guys.

Glad to hear nothing broke. I was skeptical when I first saw that since I have extreme faith in the SRT guys.

haha the car took 2nd gear burn outs like a champ and although the best run wasnt the greatest it shows that with better traction and driving the times will improve. The car is not as easy to run fast in as one might think from a dig as the electronics are calibrated to help the car get maximum traction in the first couple of gears like the MS3

So when you guys putting an auto in it?Why ruin the car? Good times guys. This race season is gonna be interesting.

Why ruin the car? Good times guys. This race season is gonna be interesting.

i think it was intended as a joke....

from day 1 Kevin wanted to transplant the Red Sled's Powertrain into the Caliber... :eek:Don't let him. Keep his car away from him.

Why ruin the car? Good times guys. This race season is gonna be interesting.

Well they did it to the NSRT-4, why not the caliber? Easy to handle at the track with an auto. Dont need to worry about messing up on a shift (short shift, miss a gear, etc), not only that its more consistant. Why do you think they put it in their sfwd neon?

Well they did it to the NSRT-4, why not the caliber? Easy to handle at the track with an auto. Dont need to worry about messing up on a shift (short shift, miss a gear, etc), not only that its more consistant. Why do you think they put it in their sfwd neon?Its more consistant cause it eliminates the only part that thinks, you. Yeah its great for consistant times, but at what cost. Congrats, the car drives itself, you're just there for the ride. A fast manual may be more work, but more fun as well. And will get more respect from me cause its not just the car, but the driver as well. But thats my opinion, please don't take it personal.:)

Its more consistant cause it eliminates the only part that thinks, you. Yeah its great for consistant times, but at what cost. Congrats, the car drives itself, you're just there for the ride. A fast manual may be more work, but more fun as well. And will get more respect from me cause its not just the car, but the driver as well. But thats my opinion, please don't take it personal.:)

:D I agree with everything you just said :D

Its more consistant cause it eliminates the only part that thinks, you. Yeah its great for consistant times, but at what cost. Congrats, the car drives itself, you're just there for the ride. A fast manual may be more work, but more fun as well. And will get more respect from me cause its not just the car, but the driver as well. But thats my opinion, please don't take it personal.:)


This is most likely the only post that has ever made sense coming from you :cool:


Sugar Ray FTW!:D

This is most likely the only post that has ever made sense coming from you :cool:


Sugar Ray FTW!:DSugar Ray for president.:D

haha,well damn i wish i'd been at the track.
people kept calling me saying that you guys were out there.
great times,keep up the good work.

i was hanging with mark and big d and dan called him and told us wish i would have been at the track

way to go! not what you were hoping but still a fine first showing...


i used to live right next to o-speedworld... and not a well-prepped track... way to go considering where you were... ;)

Its more consistant cause it eliminates the only part that thinks, you. Yeah its great for consistant times, but at what cost. Congrats, the car drives itself, you're just there for the ride. A fast manual may be more work, but more fun as well. And will get more respect from me cause its not just the car, but the driver as well. But thats my opinion, please don't take it personal.:)


You don"t know what you are talking about. Do you think I just sit in the car it is a racing trans you still have to shift it you still need to drive with your left and right foot. I have made over 100 runs in the 9s this year you will never have a srt 5 speed car in the 9s in 2008

I am not happy with how the car ran but that racing we drove all night from VA to FL and back to VA no car runs its best times first time to the track. It will run a 12.50-12.69 and 11.90 with NOS. I am looking for a track to race at now maybe head out tonight

Thank You Dan for your help

sounds like ray hit a little of a sore spot by saying that auto's are not fun to drive

thats almost what laloosh ran on street tires in his ms3. He went 12.9@ 111 with intake, exhaust, bc 18psi, and fuel pump. I have a feeling these two cars are gonna be battling it out for sure. Hopefully you guys can figure out the issues with it. Good job and good luck.

even worse, i believe they were winter tires

damn im just finding this out, i even had the day off, damn if i had known i would of definetly been out there, oh well maybe next time,

kmoy

I am not happy with how the car ran but that racing we drove all night from VA to FL and back to VA no car runs its best times first time to the track. It will run a 12.50-12.69 and 11.90 with NOS. I am looking for a track to race at now maybe head out tonight

Thank You Dan for your help

no problem, just lmk as usual as i never think twice bout helping my srt guys out

Pretty impressive, but why do you guys keep brining up ms3 comments in all your dyno threads and track days. IF your ever in north jersey, btw i live about 20 min from redsled, and you wanna do a lil 30 roll, pm me.

i/catted tbe/18psi untunned running in the 10s up top/upgraded fuel pump/ on 215/55/16 blizzaks. 12.9 @ 111.1 Best trap of 112.7 but i just lit up off the line, so i dont even count that.

I dont lie about track times, if proof is needed i got slips. Videos, u name it:D

Pretty impressive, but why do you guys keep brining up ms3 comments in all your dyno threads and track days. IF your ever in north jersey, btw i live about 20 min from redsled, and you wanna do a lil 30 roll, pm me.

i/catted tbe/18psi untunned running in the 10s up top/upgraded fuel pump/ on 215/55/16 blizzaks. 12.9 @ 111.1 Best trap of 112.7 but i just lit up off the line, so i dont even count that.

I dont lie about track times, if proof is needed i got slips. Videos, u name it:D

Your car must be making 330whp laloosh. good job and you guys definately need to do that 30 role. Would be an awesome comparison.

Meth, bolt on srt vs. bolt on ms!!!!!!!!!!! I got money on the ms3..But you never know the srt does hold over 300whp to redline.

Your car must be making 330whp laloosh. good job and you guys definately need to do that 30 role. Would be an awesome comparison.

Meth, bolt on srt vs. bolt on ms!!!!!!!!!!! I got money on the ms3..But you never know the srt does hold over 300whp to redline.

Hmm who knows, its def over 300 lol. I 4got to mention since te 12.90 run the a/f ratios were tweaked a lil to run 11.5-11.8 instead of high 10s, so who knows, maybe another 5-10whp lol. Like i said, not here to **** talk, but if you guys ever bring it back to jersey, get a passenger with a nice video camera, ill get one as well. And we can do a nice 2nd gear 30 punch. Nothing crazy....120-130?

okay it was already said that the meth kit was there in the beginning to help the small stock injectors keep up with the mods they had, i bet turning the meth kit off, running 18 PSI and untuned...it would be a close race, chances are going to the srt

30 roll im also throwing my money to the srt winning, this car is now more then likely pulling harder then any Stage 3 HOM SRT-4 in the country and they still have yet to really tap into the potential of this turbo

okay it was already said that the meth kit was there in the beginning to help the small stock injectors keep up with the mods they had, i bet turning the meth kit off, running 18 PSI and untuned...it would be a close race, chances are going to the srt

30 roll im also throwing my money to the srt winning, this car is now more then likely pulling harder then any Stage 3 HOM SRT-4 in the country and they still have yet to really tap into the potential of this turbo

lol if you say so buddy. a 30 roll is absolute money for a ms3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Rlua6r_40

Screw a roll do it from a dig, Only way to race is at a line when the lights go green. ;) Other then that MY own opinion but its not racing.

okay it was already said that the meth kit was there in the beginning to help the small stock injectors keep up with the mods they had, i bet turning the meth kit off, running 18 PSI and untuned...it would be a close race, chances are going to the srt

30 roll im also throwing my money to the srt winning, this car is now more then likely pulling harder then any Stage 3 HOM SRT-4 in the country and they still have yet to really tap into the potential of this turbo

Did you really just say that you think this car is pulling harder than any stg3 on hom?? LOL Thats funny ****. I dont think so. Maybe on a 100shot. **** my roomates stg3 trapped 117 off hom. YOur smoking some good stuff.

oo yeah 117 isnt too bad i guess... but you have to remember hmm HOM on stage 3 is about 22 PSI correct? this is at 16 spinning slicks and the first run ever down the 1/4 in this car trapped 109 it would easily trap over that once they get used to driving the car

laloosh i in no way said that to start a fight or anything but these cars are so new, none of us have any idea what their potential is, stock for stock they are pulling on nSRT's from a roll, this isnt the same ****ty ass turbo on the stock nSRT remember that, aaron has already told me the potential of this car far surpasses the nSRT

DCR lets get a vid up of a freeway roll on this car from 30 so people can see the potential this has... FOR THE RECORD IM IN NO WAY BAD MOUTHING THE MS3...

My guess this car can easily trap 117 off of HOM and with a race gas tune has enough to go low 12's on the stock turbo...once they bolt up the 49 lb. wheel this car can run 10's with bigger slicks and a tune

Oh yeah the turbo is way bigger than the neon srt. So Im guessing it will pull really good numbers. Its nice the csrt has companies going full speed on it already. **** you cant even buy the csrt where I live yet. :cool:

Screw a roll do it from a dig, Only way to race is at a line when the lights go green. ;) Other then that MY own opinion but its not racing.

I did. 2.01 60 on winter tires, once i shifted into 2nd i just hit the limiter. On slicks i would def have a 12.4ish. Where i live dig races are hard lol. Plus i dont like stoping on a 4 lane highway.

I do agree that both cars are good, why start bashing already?

Sheesh. Your jumpy these days James ;)

I don't get the entire "auto drives it's self", especially from you quicky, I figure hanging out with Nemo you would have even the basic understanding.

Do you 2 understand the concept of a reverse manual valve body in a automatic? Mike Crawford AND Kevin both have to manually shift the car, there is just no clutch. Almost the same physical input from the driver as a WOT shift, or a "no lift shift" on a newer car.

Have either of you ever raced a 9 second car with a manual valve body automatic? Do you have any clue whats going on at the line? This isn't a "throw it on the 2 step, mash the gas then dump the clutch when the yellow light comes on" process. Properly and safely launching a automatic is way more intense then a manual. Any person with the ability to drive can launch a 2 step manual car. THAT is easy, try properly using a converter without a trans brake.

Go back through the 2007 NHRA season and watch how many RACES wear lost because one of the Honda guys missed a gear/broke a gear box on the line with there dog box manuals. Then count how many races wear lost by the red Sled because a automatic broke.

I'll take 2nd place over all in both east and west coast points and only 1 hurt tranny any day over 3rd/4th/5th place and 4 busted dog boxes... And the only difference is Kevin's left leg doesn't "blip" the clutch...

I'm not trying to be that big of an Ass, I can completely understand how someone that dose not know the difference between a 99 Plymouth voyager 3 speed and the Red Sled's 3 speed would think they drive exactly the same... But before you make assumptions do a little research please.

Lol damn man, i must of hit a nerve. just relax, i was just busting your balls. No need to get defensive or explain to me how it all works and how many races were won/loss with an auto, I already know this stuff. I know what you guys accomplished last season, there's thread after thread about it. With that being said I'm just going to keep my mouth shut from now on. Sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings w/ my opinion. Later.

lol james, i dont want you to think that i was saying its easy to drag race in the auto thats in the red sled, i was simply saying that its not fun...mind you i wasnt talking about a manual valve body automatic and just talking about a plain jane auto as well

i dont think that redline was saying anything bad, i think he was getting to the point that since the caliber is so new, lets see what the tranny can do/handle with power before everyone starts going all out with them...because i think we have all heard rumors that the cSRT tranny is pretty much a piece of glass compared to the nSRT's

See thats the conception 99% of people out there have.

From what we have done so far the tranny is far from Glass, I wouldn't worry so much about it.

Consider this, Mopar is obviously going to come out with staged kits for this car. I'll talk about it in a different thread later, but bottom line I'm positive after working on this car mopar did not plan to stop at 285hp... And they are not going to use "factory" upgrades to push a car to it's breaking point.



I agree 100%

The car is just to de-tuned from the factory for them to not have something up their sleeve;)

im just excited to get into mine, i am excited to see this car already capable of running deep into the 12's with less then 1500 put into it

I think I upset someone.....

haha its okay ray i wont hold it against you

I did. 2.01 60 on winter tires, once i shifted into 2nd i just hit the limiter. On slicks i would def have a 12.4ish. Where i live dig races are hard lol. Plus i dont like stoping on a 4 lane highway.

I do agree that both cars are good, why start bashing already?

Dude....how did this thread turn into you and what you've done in your MS3?

Dude....how did this thread turn into you and what you've done in your MS3?

When the ms3 starts being compared in every dyno and track thread. Just stating facts...:)

Dude....how did this thread turn into you and what you've done in your MS3?thats what I was wondering also. WHO CARES

thats what I was wondering also. WHO CARES

the newb who resurected the thread apparently :D

well since i just joined yesterday it is new to me gramps.

well since i just joined yesterday it is new to me gramps.

So we can look forward to all the sites 4,657 threads, and 66,882 posts being resurected since they are new to you.... great :p

hahaha priceless