MOPAR Coilovers for the CSRT4

The SRT TEAM said they were 3 times stiffer and they give a little info and the part number

Coilovers P5153838

anyone knows the price and if you can buy this right now??

let me know I dont want to call my dealer theyre just STUPID , i want to hear (should i say READ?)what you guys have to say

someone looked all the parts up not sure exact prices but i think the sway bars were around 340ish, the strut bar was 400ish, and the coil overs were over 2k :eek:

im sure if you search the part number the thread should come up.

never mind found it for you
CAI P77070008 $450.00
Drop In Air Filter P5153987 $50.25
Cat Back Exhaust P5155071 $1150.00
Strut Tower Brace P5155033 $307.00
Blow Off Plate P4510548 $70.75
Swaybars P5155037 $348.00
Coilovers P5153838 $2,370.00


its in the "post srt chat" thread on the 2nd page i think.

someone looked all the parts up not sure exact prices but i think the sway bars were around 340ish, the strut bar was 400ish, and the coil overs were over 2k :eek:

im sure if you search the part number the thread should come up.

never mind found it for you



its in the "post srt chat" thread on the 2nd page i think.


JAJA! I love MOPAR and their prices!


LOL!!!:bigthumb:

btw, there was a ton of things I would have ask ,on that past session, that noone ask

I can get you the coilovers for $2084 and the sway bars for $287.

I heard they are a huge handling improvement, but I think in detroit I would need a kidney transplant.

btw, there was a ton of things I would have ask ,on that past session, that noone ask

please enlighten us? i thought we got the most popular questions handled?

btw, there was a ton of things I would have ask ,on that past session, that noone ask


Like what?

I heard they are a huge handling improvement, but I think in detroit I would need a kidney transplant.


Yeah my Honda was on coilovers and it was not a pleasant ride in the streets of michigan

someone looked all the parts up not sure exact prices but i think the sway bars were around 340ish, the strut bar was 400ish, and the coil overs were over 2k :eek:

im sure if you search the part number the thread should come up.

never mind found it for you



its in the "post srt chat" thread on the 2nd page i think.


Is the cai, catback exhaust and the strut brace the same at modernperformance.com? Because they are cheaper there and mopar. Where are the prices from?

someone looked all the parts up not sure exact prices but i think the sway bars were around 340ish, the strut bar was 400ish, and the coil overs were over 2k :eek:

im sure if you search the part number the thread should come up.

never mind found it for you



its in the "post srt chat" thread on the 2nd page i think.
Wait CAI???? How and where did they put the pipe to make it a CAI?

They only call it a CAI because it still utilizes the factory snorkel that connects the air box to the front grill. Not a true CAI in the sense that it terminates outside the engine bay.

although its not a traditional intake like everyone is used to im sure you could still call it a cai. it draws in cooler air from outside the engine bay.

2k+ for coilovers fawk mopar and their prices ... only thing ill get from mopar will be the s1 upgrade and other stage upgrade (if they come out with them) everything else will be other parts but that are cheaper than 2k+

2,000 is a good price to pay for coilovers that are actually designed by a company that makes racing suspension versus BC coilovers which are made mostly for looks

2,000 is a good price to pay for coilovers that are actually designed by a company that makes racing suspension versus BC coilovers which are made mostly for looks

QFT :beerchug: . these arent your run of the mill after market coilovers. these things will hold your car solid in the turns.

i bet they are KW variant 3's

2k+ for coilovers fawk mopar and their prices ... only thing ill get from mopar will be the s1 upgrade and other stage upgrade (if they come out with them) everything else will be other parts but that are cheaper than 2k+

Someone I knew with a honda actually had the coil overs that adjusted the ride from a switch on the dash. I liked them.

Know what I'm talking about? They would rock on a caliber if they made them.
I also don't think they were more expensive than the mopar set.

What I wanna know is why the **** does the Mopar cat-back exhaust cost nearly $1,000? Granted it's 3" system, but the one for the NSRT-4 was only like $350-400. I knows its a 1/2" difference, but seriously WTF???? All the other prices seem reasonable, but not the exhaust. I just hope that the STAGE 1 is not much more than $500.

Someone I knew with a honda actually had the coil overs that adjusted the ride from a switch on the dash. I liked them.

Know what I'm talking about? They would rock on a caliber if they made them.
I also don't think they were more expensive than the mopar set.

they are TEIN coilovers with the electronic adjustment option...awesome if you are lazy and want the cool factor...could be a serious tool if you knew how to adjust suspension dampening for the right situation

Dealer NET Prices...

CAI 77070008 $338.00
Drop In Air Filter P5153987 $37.95
Cat Back Exhaust P5155071 $918.00
Strut Tower Brace P5155033 $233.00
Blow Off Plate P4510548 $53.30
Swaybars P5155037 $261.00
Coilovers P5153838 $1,895.00


Now go punch your dealer in the nose... If you bought the car from them and they promised you "dealer price" don't settle for more then that.

does that mean you get the employee discount even below that?

What I wanna know is why the **** does the Mopar cat-back exhaust cost nearly $1,000? Granted it's 3" system, but the one for the NSRT-4 was only like $350-400. I knows its a 1/2" difference, but seriously WTF???? All the other prices seem reasonable, but not the exhaust. I just hope that the STAGE 1 is not much more than $500.

its because its made by corsa, their exhausts are expensive as **** and i believe they make their own mufflers in house

its because its made by corsa, their exhausts are expensive as **** and i believe they make their own mufflers in house
Well if thats the case, then we need to call up Borla and get them to make the exhaust for this car like they did for the NSRT-4.

What I wanna know is why the **** does the Mopar cat-back exhaust cost nearly $1,000? Granted it's 3" system, but the one for the NSRT-4 was only like $350-400. I knows its a 1/2" difference, but seriously WTF???? All the other prices seem reasonable, but not the exhaust. I just hope that the STAGE 1 is not much more than $500.

Yeah, it is quite a rip this time around. The Mopar exhaust by Borla for the original SRT-4 was $350. The Stage 2 coilovers were about $1200, and the Stage 3 coilovers about $1600, so it's quite a jump for this go-round.

And that exhaust, wow! The 5.7L Hemi exhaust is made by Corsa, it's longer and has twice as many pipes (dual exhaust), and it costs about the same!

I'd suggest going with Exhaust Depot or something, I mean $1000 for a single pipe 3" catback is crazy, you could get a titanium exhaust for around that price that would save you 10-15lbs.

finally someone to back me up with the fact that the coilovers arent "decorative" coilovers like the BC

i always thought though that you wanted a lower spring rate and a stronger shock...or do i have it backwards

I would say the more realistic prices for the Mopar Neon parts was 1150 Stage II Coilovers, 1350 Stage 3 coilovers 2000 Stage 3R coilovers and 450 for the cat back.

I can't believe the speculation being tossed around. For all we know thee coilovers could be more on par with the 2000$+ Neon Stage 3R coilovers.

And for what it's worth the worlds fastest Neon rocked Mopar Stage 3 coilovers, not BC, Megan, Tien or any other brand :stickpoke:

KW Is a quality company with quality parts in my book.

Well, they did say that the CSRT-4 coilovers are 4x stiffer, something in the range of 700-800lb springs, and THAT is insanely stiff. So they're definitely not meant to be streetable the way the Neon SRT-4 Stage 2/3 coilovers were. I'm surprised they're not offering a street setup with more reasonable spring rates, maybe something like the old Stage 2's, height adjustable only. The Stage 2's offered a better ride and better handling for the Neon SRT-4, and the hardcore had two more choices above that...

$2000+ is not bad for a set of the best KW's money can buy. They just need to offer something more competitive for people that can't afford that much.

With as much time as people have been putting into the exhausts on the caliber to make moderate gains it is no wonder the mopar catback costs so much. Someone needs to dyno the corsa exhaust to see how much they are gaining from it to see if aside from the fact that it is a high quality system people are making more than the average power with it to justify it's cost. I know when I had stage 3 and just the mopar catback with stock cat and stock airbox in place I was making more power than most of the guys out here in socal with full 3" exhausts and cai and some added goodies on top of that. Mopar seems to design this stuff specifically for consistent power gains and everything I put on my car that was mopar made more power. Once I got the cat delete pipe and mopar's cai on my stage 3 I gained another 25whp with those two other things making my straight from mopar stage 3R put out 375hp and 403tq with no additional tuning whatsoever. All I had was mopar products and that was it. No water injection no map clamps no adjustable wga just the stuff mopar sells. I was very happy with all their products and I am sure they have good reason to charge as much as they do for their stuff. Afterall the UAW is sucking them dry.

finally someone to back me up with the fact that the coilovers arent "decorative" coilovers like the BC

i always thought though that you wanted a lower spring rate and a stronger shock...or do i have it backwards


Then why did almost everyone who had KW coilovers for the neon use the preload adjustment to lower the car? I am not understanding what part of the BC coilovers are "decorative" while the KW's are not.

lol way to draw a UAW fight into another thread!!!

HAHA! for real.:bigthumb:

Then why did almost everyone who had KW coilovers for the neon use the preload adjustment to lower the car? I am not understanding what part of the BC coilovers are "decorative" while the KW's are not.
You do know that the BC's have heigth and spring preload separate? The KW's do not have this feature. The BC's have a more agressive rate on the dampening as well. KW's, way to soft to make any real great changes in the dampening.

BC's for function, KW's for the "look".

You do know that the BC's have heigth and spring preload separate? The KW's do not have this feature. The BC's have a more agressive rate on the dampening as well. KW's, way to soft to make any real great changes in the dampening.

BC's for function, KW's for the "look".

so a company that designs and produces racing suspension is for looks but a company that builds design suspension parts that have no history in real race cars is for funcation :notallthere:

i think you have your final statement mixed up a little bit

so a company that designs and produces racing suspension is for looks but a company that builds design suspension parts that have no history in real race cars is for funcation :notallthere:

i think you have your final statement mixed up a little bit


You do know who BC is correct? They build Megan, Mugen, BC branded, and many other coilovers for companies all over the world in white lable boxes or "branded name" boxed sets. They have been building coilovers for more years that KW and more brand coverage then any coilover company in the world. Just because BC is new to the market (name wise) don't assume that they have not been doing this for a while. Homework is your friend before you insert your foot into your mouth.

KW makes great parts, over priced and less features then other coil overs on the market that are about 2/3rd's the price. KW's look very cool through the rim spokes and perform well, they are just missing a few features and component reliability that the others have.

You do know that the BC's have heigth and spring preload separate? The KW's do not have this feature. The BC's have a more agressive rate on the dampening as well. KW's, way to soft to make any real great changes in the dampening.

BC's for function, KW's for the "look".

That is my point. Everyone lowers their mopars to the stop rings, which is just decreasing the preload. By decreasing preload, you are decreasing strut travel. Hence why the KW's and Mopars for the neon had stop rings. I don't understand why people do not understand this concept and still think mopars are superior.

Not saying the Mopars are bad, but BC's out perform them already in features.

That is my point. Everyone lowers their mopars to the stop rings, which is just decreasing the preload. By decreasing preload, you are decreasing strut travel. Hence why the KW's and Mopars for the neon had stop rings. I don't understand why people do not understand this concept and still think mopars are superior.

Not saying the Mopars are bad, but BC's out perform them already in features.
Dude I have tried and tried and tired to explain this... with no luck. Hell I even showed them side by side to a Mopar nut hugger, he had the balls to say that "if mopar wanted them that way they would have build them that way". More or less Mopar new better then to install a set like that, because they were Mopar.

I rode the short bus, but my pick- up was always last and drop off always first :notallthere: .

Well considering KW had three different levels for the neon it's hard to say they don't match features. To compare the stage 2 coilovers at $900 to all the other coilovers price wise would be proper and I would agree that the stage 2's were priced high for there features compared to the other brands but not by much. The stage 3's offered more rebound damping adjustability and height adjustment was increased 50% over stage 2. Then the stage 3R's were just a more hardcore version with infinitely adjustable rebound damping and 14 level compression damping and interchangable springs. The cool thing was later on mopar said the stage 2 and stage3 coilovers could also use different springs as well so that became a major feature for people wanting a little more aggressive setup w/out buying new c.o's.

A couple other things to keep in mind is that the mopar stage 3r ligthweight car pulled over 1G on the skidpad w/ the stage3 c.o's and pt cruiser sway bars at 2900lbs wet weight and people still doubted the KW's. Then just recently the viper ACR ran that 7:22 at the nurburgring with guess what suspension? KW's. So remember just because one company has more features than another, it doesn't mean they are superior. What matters is results and KW has very good results.

Well considering KW had three different levels for the neon it's hard to say they don't match features. To compare the stage 2 coilovers at $900 to all the other coilovers price wise would be proper and I would agree that the stage 2's were priced high for there features compared to the other brands but not by much. The stage 3's offered more rebound damping adjustability and height adjustment was increased 50% over stage 2. Then the stage 3R's were just a more hardcore version with infinitely adjustable rebound damping and 14 level compression damping and interchangable springs. The cool thing was later on mopar said the stage 2 and stage3 coilovers could also use different springs as well so that became a major feature for people wanting a little more aggressive setup w/out buying new c.o's.

A couple other things to keep in mind is that the mopar stage 3r ligthweight car pulled over 1G on the skidpad w/ the stage3 c.o's and pt cruiser sway bars at 2900lbs wet weight and people still doubted the KW's. Then just recently the viper ACR ran that 7:22 at the nurburgring with guess what suspension? KW's. So remember just because one company has more features than another, it doesn't mean they are superior. What matters is results and KW has very good results.

Agreed on every count. Now take the time they spent getting the springs swapped for the "perfect ones" and the rates dialed to "race settings" and spend that time with another coilover.... just because one can do it doesn't mean that another one can not.

I guess what I am trying to get at is, you get more for the dollar with the BC units then you do the KW variant. Yes the KW has some cool features for dampening and rebound and I wish the BC's has those as well. I just don't agree with spring swaps to get the correct spring rate. I can adjust my springs on my car in 10 minutes from race settings to DD duties with out effecting the vehicle height much if at all. That is what I was trying to get across and let people know about. You can also get springs for the BC units just like you can the KW units. All in all the BC just has more features and only lacks the support from Mopar.

Hahhahaaha !!! Thats one of the most funniest things Ive read in months.

BC coilovers made for looks ? Heh, man where did you get that information from.

Just because the KW/Mopar coilovers have a Mopar stamp of approval on them doesnt mean that they are superior, even at double the price !!

Did you ever do research on the BC coilovers ? If not, take notice, that they include front pillow ball mounts (VErsus Mopar that makes you reuse your factory strut mounts) and the BC coilovers include front camper plates for easy, quick camber adjustment (Mopar doesnt have this feature)

Lastly, Ill be posting a picture shortly that will blow you away. It has to do with the design of the Mopar coilovers versus the BC. The BC, regardless of how much you adjust them, still has the same amount of suspension travel.

The Mopar on the other hand, has less and less suspension travel the more you lower it, based on its design.

So, if you take the time to study the design of both coilovers, and the features, your quote of the coilovers being made for looks, is correct, but for ONLY ONE COILOVER, AND ITS NOT THE BC COILOVERS. NOW, granted, I know the Mopar/KW coilovers are a great kit, but you need to know the benefits of the BC coilovers and give credit where its due. The BC coilovers arent just some coilover kit that isnt developed by a chinese company with no testing. BC has been producing coilover kits for over 12 years now, and mainly for the asian market Honda/Toyota/Nissan overseas with very good results.

Ill be posting a photo a little bit later to show you exactly what Im referring to as far as suspension travel.



2,000 is a good price to pay for coilovers that are actually designed by a company that makes racing suspension versus BC coilovers which are made mostly for looks

Hahhahaaha !!! Thats one of the most funniest things Ive read in months.

BC coilovers made for looks ? Heh, man where did you get that information from.

Just because the KW/Mopar coilovers have a Mopar stamp of approval on them doesnt mean that they are superior, even at double the price !!

Did you ever do research on the BC coilovers ? If not, take notice, that they include front pillow ball mounts (VErsus Mopar that makes you reuse your factory strut mounts) and the BC coilovers include front camper plates for easy, quick camber adjustment (Mopar doesnt have this feature)

Lastly, Ill be posting a picture shortly that will blow you away. It has to do with the design of the Mopar coilovers versus the BC. The BC, regardless of how much you adjust them, still has the same amount of suspension travel.

The Mopar on the other hand, has less and less suspension travel the more you lower it, based on its design.

So, if you take the time to study the design of both coilovers, and the features, your quote of the coilovers being made for looks, is correct, but for ONLY ONE COILOVER, AND ITS NOT THE BC COILOVERS. NOW, granted, I know the Mopar/KW coilovers are a great kit, but you need to know the benefits of the BC coilovers and give credit where its due. The BC coilovers arent just some coilover kit that isnt developed by a chinese company with no testing. BC has been producing coilover kits for over 12 years now, and mainly for the asian market Honda/Toyota/Nissan overseas with very good results.

Ill be posting a photo a little bit later to show you exactly what Im referring to as far as suspension travel.

Well IMO the more you lower the car the less suspension travel you would want to avoid bottoming out when or after going over bumps. I could see some moron adjusting the suspension to the lowest setting and not reducing suspension travel and then BAM!!!! he gets in an accident and blames it on BC cause they allowed their suspension to be lowered w/out reducing travel and that caused the accident. Of course they could very well have their disclaimer on there saying "not for highway use" etc....


The point is when mopar backs a product they assume a measure of responsibility for that product so there are going to be safety procedures implemented in the products they back that others might not have especially since they cannot compromise the safety of the rest of the car. Hence the reason the c.o reduces suspension travel when lowered. It makes sense to me from a safety stand point. Due to that fact as well the prices will be higher also because of it. I personally would rather buy something I know will not hinder the safety of my vehicle and it's occupant's and will work well with everything else that particular car has and for that reason I would buy the mopar stamped KW's over the BC C.O's. I have no doubt BC makes a great product but I also have no doubt that the KW's were tested on the caliber to make sure they worked well with the entire car and not just that they fit.

Well IMO the more you lower the car the less suspension travel you would want to avoid bottoming out when or after going over bumps. I could see some moron adjusting the suspension to the lowest setting and not reducing suspension travel and then BAM!!!! he gets in an accident and blames it on BC cause they allowed their suspension to be lowered w/out reducing travel and that caused the accident. Of course they could very well have their disclaimer on there saying "not for highway use" etc....


The point is when mopar backs a product they assume a measure of responsibility for that product so there are going to be safety procedures implemented in the products they back that others might not have especially since they cannot compromise the safety of the rest of the car. Hence the reason the c.o reduces suspension travel when lowered. It makes sense to me from a safety stand point. Due to that fact as well the prices will be higher also because of it. I personally would rather buy something I know will not hinder the safety of my vehicle and it's occupant's and will work well with everything else that particular car has and for that reason I would buy the mopar stamped KW's over the BC C.O's. I have no doubt BC makes a great product but I also have no doubt that the KW's were tested on the caliber to make sure they worked well with the entire car and not just that they fit.


So riding on the bump stops is safe??? Lowering your car an insane amount with coilovers is not safe all together, but I would rather have suspension under me than hit bump stops on every bump.

Also, Modern stated that they worked with the BC's so the spring rates and everything else was perfect for this car. I really don't get the BC bashing.

So riding on the bump stops is safe??? Lowering your car an insane amount with coilovers is not safe all together, but I would rather have suspension under me than hit bump stops on every bump.

Also, Modern stated that they worked with the BC's so the spring rates and everything else was perfect for this car. I really don't get the BC bashing.
Safer than pushing the wheels up into the wheel wells or smacking the frame. Bump stops are there so you don't bottom out on the frame. I never doubted BC or modern or anyone who pushes BC. I am just sticking up for why Mopar/KW C.O's are as expensive as they are. That's all.:beerchug:

Safer than pushing the wheels up into the wheel wells or smacking the frame. Bump stops are there so you don't bottom out on the frame. I never doubted BC or modern or anyone who pushes BC. I am just sticking up for why Mopar/KW C.O's are as expensive as they are. That's all.:beerchug:
The Mopar units will bottom out to unsafe level long before the BC units will. You seem to think you know what you are talking about but you really have no idea. You can not control spring compression and height with the KW units. This is why they have lock rings, to keep the car safe. But when you lower the car down all the way the spring rates get affected and that could become an unsafe spring rate to run on the track. With the BC's you can set your spring rate and then move the car up and down, thus keeping the car safe for suspension travel and vehicle height. If you start hitting the bump stops with the BC, its an easy fix. No need to swap spring like with the KW units, no need to worry if your going to start a leak by bottoming them out (like what happens when you bottom out KW's)..... none of that. The BC units can be adapted to meet your driving needs with a few turns of a spanner wrench, simple and easy to fix bottoming out issues with a lowered car.


Please please for the love of god get off the Mopar nut wagon and realize that Mopar is wrapped up in a contract with KW. They can not get out of this contract for the next 100 years or some **** like that. If the SRT engineers could run the BC's and market them I am willing to bet that they would give there seal of approval on them. For people who know the differences between the BC's and the KW's you are way a head, for those that just agree that the KW's are better because "Dodge said they were" is foolish. I remember when they said that stage 3 was the best that dodge had to offer for the SRT4 Neon.... guess what there is only one stage 3 in the top 10 fastest in the nation and several modded stock turbos have been beating stage 3's on some of the nations fastest road tracks. Mopar can do what the want with the tools that they are given, KW and staged upgrades are great... but not the best.

Take that for what its worth.

What makes you guys think that BC did not test out the BC coilovers before they were sold ? Ive put on nearly 6,000 miles of daily driving, and hard cornering on the prototype BC coilovers made for the Caliber SRT-4 and they are still working well. Theres also many Caliber SRT-4 owners who have bought the BC coilovers and been very happy.

In regards to Mopar :

Mopar states on all of their performance products that they are for "Off Road use only" and they also state that their products have no warranty whatsoever.

We've had several customers who have had their coilovers blow due to bad roads, etc, and whenever they had Mopar coilovers, Mopar wouldnt help them one bit. Once they contacted KW, KW would help, but otherwise, Mopar wouldnt lift a finger to help.

Also, for what its worth, its very easy to bottom out with Mopar coilovers, but due to BC's design, its nearly impossible to bottom out with BC coilovers.

Youll hit the car on something before you ever bottom out the suspension with BC coilovers..

Well IMO the more you lower the car the less suspension travel you would want to avoid bottoming out when or after going over bumps. I could see some moron adjusting the suspension to the lowest setting and not reducing suspension travel and then BAM!!!! he gets in an accident and blames it on BC cause they allowed their suspension to be lowered w/out reducing travel and that caused the accident. Of course they could very well have their disclaimer on there saying "not for highway use" etc....


The point is when mopar backs a product they assume a measure of responsibility for that product so there are going to be safety procedures implemented in the products they back that others might not have especially since they cannot compromise the safety of the rest of the car. Hence the reason the c.o reduces suspension travel when lowered. It makes sense to me from a safety stand point. Due to that fact as well the prices will be higher also because of it. I personally would rather buy something I know will not hinder the safety of my vehicle and it's occupant's and will work well with everything else that particular car has and for that reason I would buy the mopar stamped KW's over the BC C.O's. I have no doubt BC makes a great product but I also have no doubt that the KW's were tested on the caliber to make sure they worked well with the entire car and not just that they fit.

Agreed.

Im amazed at how some people on this board blindly support the Mopar/KW coilovers when the BC units have been tested on the Caliber SRT-4, been sold for months in advance of the Mopar/KW, have many more features, and a better design in general, and cost 1/2 of the price.

I am a huge fan of Mopar products as well, but theres way too many differences and benefits in BC's favor to blindly support the Mopar/KW coilovers over BC.


The Mopar units will bottom out to unsafe level long before the BC units will. You seem to think you know what you are talking about but you really have no idea. You can not control spring compression and height with the KW units. This is why they have lock rings, to keep the car safe. But when you lower the car down all the way the spring rates get affected and that could become an unsafe spring rate to run on the track. With the BC's you can set your spring rate and then move the car up and down, thus keeping the car safe for suspension travel and vehicle height. If you start hitting the bump stops with the BC, its an easy fix. No need to swap spring like with the KW units, no need to worry if your going to start a leak by bottoming them out (like what happens when you bottom out KW's)..... none of that. The BC units can be adapted to meet your driving needs with a few turns of a spanner wrench, simple and easy to fix bottoming out issues with a lowered car.


Please please for the love of god get off the Mopar nut wagon and realize that Mopar is wrapped up in a contract with KW. They can not get out of this contract for the next 100 years or some **** like that. If the SRT engineers could run the BC's and market them I am willing to bet that they would give there seal of approval on them. For people who know the differences between the BC's and the KW's you are way a head, for those that just agree that the KW's are better because "Dodge said they were" is foolish. I remember when they said that stage 3 was the best that dodge had to offer for the SRT4 Neon.... guess what there is only one stage 3 in the top 10 fastest in the nation and several modded stock turbos have been beating stage 3's on some of the nations fastest road tracks. Mopar can do what the want with the tools that they are given, KW and staged upgrades are great... but not the best.

Take that for what its worth.

You guys forgot this: On the Mopar unit, you need to use a little allen key to lock the stop ring in place a t the bottom. It is made out of brass and is very soft. It will stripped easilly and once it is done, you have no way to lock the bottom ring in place.

The BC one uses two ring one over each other that will work one against the other to lock it in place. This will never fail!!

I had the Mopar Stage 3 coilovers on the Neon and beleive me, the only advantage over the BC was the fact that they were in stainless steel. Other than that BC was way superior in its design!!

:bigthumb:

I don't want to stir the pot here but I have some questions because coilovers are on my list of things for next season. The first and biggest question I have is: Has anyone run the BCs in autox? Another question has to do with the dampening adjustment on both the BCs and the Mopar (KW) ones: Can the rebound and dampening be adjust independently? My final question is (actually its more of a statement that I'm hoping to get clarified): I've heard that with the BCs as you adjust the shocks towards their limits that they respond non-linearly and I've heard that the dampening rates between shocks is non uniform. Again, just really looking for clarification and understanding.

Not trying to stir the pot here.

BC coilovers 448lbs front 336lbs rear
Mopar -per the chat session we can estimate close to 600 lbs spring rate.

just sayin is all

Not trying to stir the pot here.

BC coilovers 448lbs front 336lbs rear
Mopar -per the chat session we can estimate close to 600 lbs spring rate.

just sayin is all
Yes and do you know the reasons for that? I do.

I don't want to stir the pot here but I have some questions because coilovers are on my list of things for next season. The first and biggest question I have is: Has anyone run the BCs in autox? Another question has to do with the dampening adjustment on both the BCs and the Mopar (KW) ones: Can the rebound and dampening be adjust independently? My final question is (actually its more of a statement that I'm hoping to get clarified): I've heard that with the BCs as you adjust the shocks towards their limits that they respond non-linearly and I've heard that the dampening rates between shocks is non uniform. Again, just really looking for clarification and understanding.

Not that I know of but I doubt anyone has ran the KW units as well, so the first question might be a moot one.

The BC's can not, the KW stage 3's should.

The dampening rates are uniform, its the spring settings that you have to get right. The springs loose the "tension" over time and "set in". When this happens you get some funny feelings from the car. With a CO like the BC's you should "redo" the spring 2 times the first year you have them on the car. By redo I mean you have to go in and set the spring preload after a set amount of time. Many think that they come from the factory "preset", they don't and you have to get them dialed in. The BC's take time to get right, just like any other multi adjusting coilover. When you get them dialed in, you will never look back to a conventional coilover that doesn't have spring and height separate adjusters.

The Mopar units will bottom out to unsafe level long before the BC units will. You seem to think you know what you are talking about but you really have no idea. You can not control spring compression and height with the KW units. This is why they have lock rings, to keep the car safe. But when you lower the car down all the way the spring rates get affected and that could become an unsafe spring rate to run on the track. With the BC's you can set your spring rate and then move the car up and down, thus keeping the car safe for suspension travel and vehicle height. If you start hitting the bump stops with the BC, its an easy fix. No need to swap spring like with the KW units, no need to worry if your going to start a leak by bottoming them out (like what happens when you bottom out KW's)..... none of that. The BC units can be adapted to meet your driving needs with a few turns of a spanner wrench, simple and easy to fix bottoming out issues with a lowered car.

First off which KW's are you referring to. Stage 2, Stage 3 or stage 3r. I stated in my other post it depends on which one you are talking about. The variant 3's/stage 3r were deffinately independantly height adjustable as well as compression and rebound adjustable. As far as bottoming out is concerned I don't see how that would be possible to bottom out the shock with bump stops and a limit strap/lock ring in place, that is what they were there for. As far as the problems with the KW on the neons I do indeed remember but most of them were taken care of when dealing with KW. That is one thing that concerns me about the BC's is that they have no direct contact, no website no, technical support, at least not that I found. Therefore people would have to rely on the dealer of BC products to do all the work and I am sure it would get handled but you have to understand some people would have reservations about buying something from someone they couldn't get a hold of directly.

Regarding the bottoming out issue I was actually referring to someones comment on suspension travel not being affected when the car is lowered, and that is good for the shock itself but suspension travel means nothing when the car is so low that the wheels themselves are rubbing on the wheel wells because the shock allows so much travel that the wheel bottom out on the car itself. Anyways not a big deal and there are way to many terms when talking about suspension people can get easily confused. Shock top out/ bottom out/ suspension travel/ shock travel/ wheel travel etc.... If you say bottoming out I could take as the wheel travel being limited by the shock travel therefore Shock bottom out or the wheel travel being limited by the car itself. Hope that clears it up and once again never bashed the BC's or was trying to, just sticking up for mopar products as I have always had success with them.

Yes and do you know the reasons for that? I do.


oh please enlighten me! :scratchhead:

but seriously everyone needs to just :simmadown: