Official Srt-4 Performance Numbers!!!

Ironside · Jul 20, 2007

Official SRT-4 Performance Numbers + New Interior!!!

OK... Here they are; The official Caliber SRT-4 performance numbers and details.

I was at the dealership today and they had a flipbook with info on all of the new 2008 models, so I flipped it open and sure enough, the SRT-4 was there.

So anyway, I temporarily stole their book and took it upstairs to the photocopier and went to town!

For those who don't feel like sifting through all the pages, here are some of the important highlights:

-2.4L DOHC 16V Dual VVT 4-cylinder intercooled/turbocharged World Engine with 280hp @ 6000-6400rpm, 260 lb-ft torque @ 200-5600rpm.
-0-60mph = 6.2 seconds
-1/4 mile = 14.6 seconds
-Top speed = 157mph
-The SRT-4 will have a choice of two different rims, the painted ones like on current SRT's, and the chrome ones. Both are 19" 5-spoke like the pictures.
-Final colours that are offered are brilliant black, sunburst orange, bright silver and inferno red (So no new colours like we'd hoped for the SRT).
-The front passenger seat FOLDS FLAT (we weren't sure of that earlier because of the bolsters).
-NO MyGIG.
- ***NEW INTERIOR*** Offered in what they call a "new completely dark slate grey".

I am pretty disappointed by the performance numbers offered by this vehicle. I was honestly hoping that it would do the SRT-4 name justice but as far as it's reputation on the track, this car will be a joke. Now, that being said, it appears that this car IS still going to be "quick enough" and very nice on the inside. We'll have to wait and see if this thing flops or not.

Anyway, here are the scans from the book. The interior by the way, is AMAZING looking. It is ALL DARK like the current gen SRT-4's but with the nice silver bezel in the middle.

It is stunning and beautiful and I can't say enough good things about how it looks. Unfortunately the photo copier did not pick up the picture very well, so I used my cell phone to take a picture of it. I'm not home right now so I can't post the good quality picture, the best I could do without my data cable is take a picture of my cell phone with the interior pic on the screen. It is horrible quality but you can get a feel for the colour... I will post the GOOD pic when I get home tomorrow.

And finally... the cell phone pic... lol

xcler8 · Jul 21, 2007

Well that was enough for me to say that I am now "out".....

There are too many great new vehicles out there with so much more than this. 14.6?!?! You have got to be kidding me....

I will test drive one if it ever shows up at the lot...after waiting this long....but it just went to the bottom of my list. Thanks for passing the info along...too bad it is that disappointing though...

Unoriginalusername · Jul 21, 2007

Wow those are some really dissappointing numbers... the MS3 got 5.5 0-60 and 14.0 in CD. I'd imagine that one of the magazines will do better since mazda's claims are higher too (5.8 0-60) but to be that much higher on claimed to claimed doesn't sound good

Unoriginalusername · Jul 21, 2007

this also confirmed that there is NO mechanical LSD... BOOO

dcjredline · Jul 21, 2007

well to me 14.6 sounds pretty darn quick for a Caliber. That thing would keep up with my 89 Formula Firebird at the strip. And prolly at the road course too. I don't know what you all expected for a vehicle near the $20k range. If it was $30k and 13.6 do you think MORE people would buy them?

Unoriginalusername · Jul 21, 2007

dcjredline said:
well to me 14.6 sounds pretty darn quick for a Caliber. That thing would keep up with my 89 Formula Firebird at the strip. And prolly at the road course too. I don't know what you all expected for a vehicle near the $20k range. If it was $30k and 13.6 do you think MORE people would buy them?

a 21k MS3 will do 5.5 0-60 and 14.0... i think alot of people were expecting a sub 14 number out of the srt4. i will reserve judgement until some better drivers get ahold of it in the tests

Ironside · Jul 21, 2007

dcjredline said:
well to me 14.6 sounds pretty darn quick for a Caliber. That thing would keep up with my 89 Formula Firebird at the strip. And prolly at the road course too. I don't know what you all expected for a vehicle near the $20k range. If it was $30k and 13.6 do you think MORE people would buy them?

We were at LEAST expecting it to maintain the same performance numbers as the original SRT-4. This is just crap...

What really urks me is the fact that when they announced it they were like "oh yeah, we can sum it up in 3 numbers... 85, 120something, and 300" or whatever. The first number was how many MORE horsepower it has over the out-going Neon SRT...

If the thing is so much slower than the neon, why did they announce it by putting down the Neon so much... ****... if my SRT could talk it would be laughing at this stooopid hatch right now.

Not to mention they tried building all this "300hp hype"... then did a bellyflop by having to reduce it to 280hp. If you ask me, this vehicle is going to be ho-hum.

Fingernipp · Jul 21, 2007

I have a feeling it will do better than their posted numbers. Also im sure it wont be too hard to get the horsepower numbers back to 300 and beyond. The only real concern is the lack of a LSD. Hopefully it will be offered eventually. Seems its just cost cutting for now and may just be the base model they are hyping to keep the sub $20,000 price point. I personally wont even be tempted unless i see it with a dual clutch auto and AWD.

Ironside · Jul 21, 2007

Fingernipp said:
I have a feeling it will do better than their posted numbers. Also im sure it wont be too hard to get the horsepower numbers back to 300 and beyond. The only real concern is the lack of a LSD. Hopefully it will be offered eventually. Seems its just cost cutting for now and may just be the base model they are hyping to keep the sub $20,000 price point. I personally wont even be tempted unless i see it with a dual clutch auto and AWD.

I wouldn't say that is the ONLY problem... there is OBVIOUSLY a problem with this vehicle handling any more horsepower than 280hp. Otherwise, why would they reduce it from 300hp?

I still wonder how many of those rumours were true about the frames bending and the torque steer/wheelhop being so bad the car was undriveable.

Guess we'll have to wait and see, but I wonder why Dodge has been so tight lipped this whole time. It seems as though they were TRYING to do a good thing with this car, but things weren't going as they expected, so rather than delay further they just spit it out as is.

Maybe the 2009 will yield improvements? That is, if there IS an '09 after this thing makes them ZERO profit.

One last thought... if Dodge deliberately reduced the stock horsepower to make it easier for them to sell Stage upgrades with huge markups in order to make a larger profit, i'm going to be RIGHT pissed off...

DaveMcd · Jul 21, 2007

And I was thinking about trading my 2005 Neon SRT-4 for the Caliber. Right now I think I hear the Neon laughing it's hood off in the garage. Chrysler is out of step with it's customer base.

Dave

svt2209 · Jul 21, 2007

280 hp for a sub $20k. I'll take it. My 06 Stang cost $32k w/ 280hp to the rear wheels. If people are not happy with those Caliber numbers then spend 30k+ and buy an STi.

Ironside · Jul 21, 2007

svt2209 said:
280 hp for a sub $20k. I'll take it. My 06 Stang cost $32k w/ 280hp to the rear wheels. If people are not happy with those Caliber numbers then spend 30k+ and buy an STi.

All we are saying is that we bought our neon SRT4's for 20k US and it puts down numbers a lot better than the Caliber's... I do not understand how/why Dodge cannot at least MATCH the performance from our cars.

Here is the slightly better pic of the interior by the way...

Fingernipp · Jul 21, 2007

Ironside said:
I wouldn't say that is the ONLY problem... there is OBVIOUSLY a problem with this vehicle handling any more horsepower than 280hp. Otherwise, why would they reduce it from 300hp?

I still wonder how many of those rumours were true about the frames bending and the torque steer/wheelhop being so bad the car was undriveable.

Guess we'll have to wait and see, but I wonder why Dodge has been so tight lipped this whole time. It seems as though they were TRYING to do a good thing with this car, but things weren't going as they expected, so rather than delay further they just spit it out as is.

Maybe the 2009 will yield improvements? That is, if there IS an '09 after this thing makes them ZERO profit.

One last thought... if Dodge deliberately reduced the stock horsepower to make it easier for them to sell Stage upgrades with huge markups in order to make a larger profit, i'm going to be RIGHT pissed off...

I wouldnt say its obvious that the car isnt capable of handling 300hp. But the issues may be keeping emissions low and insurance lower. I believe they claim the same torque rating as originally stated, leading me to believe that if anything they may have just lowered boost a tad and/or lowered the rev limiter. Besides horsepower is just work performed over time.. torque is really the all importaint number that pulls you off the road or turns halfshafts into twizzlers. Maybe it could be as simple as the cooling system or pinging issues using 93 octain in summer in hot climates.

xcler8 · Jul 22, 2007

svt2209 said:
280 hp for a sub $20k. I'll take it. My 06 Stang cost $32k w/ 280hp to the rear wheels. If people are not happy with those Caliber numbers then spend 30k+ and buy an STi.

You are really missing the point....280 HP is a good #.....14.6 IS NOT. Think about it...your stock mustang with 280 RWHP should have ran 13.8's in factory form (and a Deluxe GT can be had for around $24,000...I'm sure yours was optioned very nicely, but sub 20's in the SRT-4 will be as bare as a Deluxe GT) For around $20k you can go buy a Cobalt SS with a GMPP kit, MS3, or even a V6 mustang and out perform the new SRT-4. The neon SRT-4's were an awesome buy, had a good look, and ran even better! It seems that it is not even going to match the originals performance record...and that is a sad fact.

With all the hype surrounding this vehicle over the past 2 years...I would have thought it would have been something to really wait in line for....and it appears that I am wrong.

I can't wait til an independent magazine runs a review on this car to really know what it will do.

Fingernipp · Jul 22, 2007

I seriously still think the numbers they are giving are very conservative. Or maybe merely due to traction. 60' times and trap speed would tell the story. using brakes to control traction would without a doubt hurt any 0-60 or standing 1/4 mile times.

joeykunz · Jul 22, 2007

DaveMcd said:
And I was thinking about trading my 2005 Neon SRT-4 for the Caliber. Right now I think I hear the Neon laughing it's hood off in the garage. Chrysler is out of step with it's customer base.

Dave

I couldnt agree more, with this news I can now say "Im done" considering/waiting for the caliber srt, I have an 04 srt and have waited forever for this thing to come out. But dodge halfassed it and now they have lost me as a customer. They can make all the excuses they want (but the platform this and the platform that) but it was dodge's decision to use the caliber and the numbers dont lie. This model will not perform as well as the first gen srt-4.

Would 4 wheel drive be a solution to improve 0-60? Did "de-tuning" the engine from 300hp hurt numbers? Probably but dodge does not care.

See ya dodge..

TechMan · Jul 22, 2007

Wow, a lot of spirited posts based on the SRT4 marketing material. For those of you so disappointed, wait until independent testing is done. The marketing material may not represent real world numbers and for reasons previously mentioned, including insurance thresholds, could be conservative. I will wait until independent testers do their thing before deciding if the SRT4 performance has not lived up to expectations. Even if the 6.2s 0-60 time holds up, that is still a fast car for the money not to mention the interior and chassis enhancements. Like others here, give me an AWD version and I'm in!

Darren07RT · Jul 22, 2007

im still in

Ironside · Jul 22, 2007

Don't take what we're saying the wrong way, this car will still be awesome. It will be a huge step up from the regular Calibers and it WILL be a quick car. I just think Dodge over-hyped the car and it will not live up to the 'legend' that the first gen SRT4 has become.

Most importantly, like most of you are saying, there are many other options out there that will probably make more sense or give you more speed for the buck... that just wasn't the case in the Neon's hayday.

I think I for one was just waiting for an unbelievable Dodge SRT vehicle that would absolutely blow away it's competition, not just sink into being 'another choice' among many similar choices.

If anything, it just made MY car more valuable when I resell it... Just think... an "ORIGINAL SRT-4"... with all the speed and performance you've heard of with half the price and more speed than the NEW SRT4 model! LOL... I can have a field day with this.

TechMan · Jul 22, 2007

What "many more choices" offering "more speed for the buck" are you referring to? The closest form factor I can think of is the MS3 and I think you will find the apples to apples pricing far in favour of the Caliber. The other puddle jumper choices out there should not be compared head to head. How can you be so disappointed in a Caliber that will equal or outperform more expensive choices in a much better all around utility 5 dr hatch. With all due respect to the original SRT4, its still a Neon.

CoriolisSTORM · Jul 23, 2007

Not really bad numbers really I dont think. You gotta keep stuff in perspective. My R/T is the fastest vehicle I've owned. (sad isn't it?) My next fast car will be either a VW GTI (Fahrenheit if they're still around then) or an SRT4. I'm gonna do some research on both of them and compare them. Let ya know what I find, and what me decision is.

Ironside · Jul 23, 2007

TechMan said:
What "many more choices" offering "more speed for the buck" are you referring to? The closest form factor I can think of is the MS3 and I think you will find the apples to apples pricing far in favour of the Caliber. The other puddle jumper choices out there should not be compared head to head. How can you be so disappointed in a Caliber that will equal or outperform more expensive choices in a much better all around utility 5 dr hatch. With all due respect to the original SRT4, its still a Neon.

I am simply disappointed in the fact that Dodge could have done a lot more with the Caliber. It really was the perfect opportunity to come out swinging and prove that they still have what it takes to blow away every other car manufacturer... a reputation that defintely wouldn't hurt them right about now with the way the automotive industry is going.

I guess I dont see why Dodge has to be the 'best bang for the buck'... why not put a little more money into the car, make it a little pricier but make it an unbelievable vehicle. Sure they want the base model to be around $20,000, but there really aren't that many great options to chose from for those of us willing to pay for them.

Why is it they reduced the 300hp? I HOPE the car does better than 14.6 in the quarter mile and I guess we'll find out soon enough, why is there no MyGIG? Why can't they put heated seats in the car?

Did any of you guys read that whole big press release for the Concept Caliber in detail? They even said it was going to have power adjustable pedals for God's sake.... it's like they totally abandoned their original plans and 'settled for less'.

(...and yes, the current SRT-4 IS still just a neon... which is one of the reasons i'm looking for a change... i've owned a '99 Neon, a 2002 Neon R/T and the 2004 Neon SRT4... i want a CHANGE, and that's probably why i'm SO disappointed with the Caliber SRT4, because I was REALLY banking on it being the change I was looking for...)

xcler8 · Jul 23, 2007

Ironside said:
Don't take what we're saying the wrong way, this car will still be awesome. It will be a huge step up from the regular Calibers and it WILL be a quick car. I just think Dodge over-hyped the car and it will not live up to the 'legend' that the first gen SRT4 has become.

Most importantly, like most of you are saying, there are many other options out there that will probably make more sense or give you more speed for the buck... that just wasn't the case in the Neon's hayday.

I think I for one was just waiting for an unbelievable Dodge SRT vehicle that would absolutely blow away it's competition, not just sink into being 'another choice' among many similar choices.

If anything, it just made MY car more valuable when I resell it... Just think... an "ORIGINAL SRT-4"... with all the speed and performance you've heard of with half the price and more speed than the NEW SRT4 model! LOL... I can have a field day with this.

I could not agree with you more...to just look at the numbers is one thing...but I have been waiting and talking about this thing since the concept came out about 2 years ago...it was supposed to be AMAZING...and what the are offering is "nice"....I guess my real problem is why did they HYPE HYPE HYPE and then offer us this...it is a huge let down. If you are new to this car it look like a decent performer...if you have been reading any and everything on this car since day one...it sucks....

hawksview · Jul 23, 2007

joeykunz said:
I couldnt agree more, with this news I can now say "Im done" considering/waiting for the caliber srt, I have an 04 srt and have waited forever for this thing to come out. But dodge halfassed it and now they have lost me as a customer. They can make all the excuses they want (but the platform this and the platform that) but it was dodge's decision to use the caliber and the numbers dont lie. This model will not perform as well as the first gen srt-4.

See ya dodge..

No srt has performed as well as the first gen srt 4

TechMan · Jul 23, 2007

Ironside said:
I am simply disappointed in the fact that Dodge could have done a lot more with the Caliber. It really was the perfect opportunity to come out swinging and prove that they still have what it takes to blow away every other car manufacturer... a reputation that defintely wouldn't hurt them right about now with the way the automotive industry is going.

I guess I dont see why Dodge has to be the 'best bang for the buck'... why not put a little more money into the car, make it a little pricier but make it an unbelievable vehicle. Sure they want the base model to be around $20,000, but there really aren't that many great options to chose from for those of us willing to pay for them.

Why is it they reduced the 300hp? I HOPE the car does better than 14.6 in the quarter mile and I guess we'll find out soon enough, why is there no MyGIG? Why can't they put heated seats in the car?

Did any of you guys read that whole big press release for the Concept Caliber in detail? They even said it was going to have power adjustable pedals for God's sake.... it's like they totally abandoned their original plans and 'settled for less'.

(...and yes, the current SRT-4 IS still just a neon... which is one of the reasons i'm looking for a change... i've owned a '99 Neon, a 2002 Neon R/T and the 2004 Neon SRT4... i want a CHANGE, and that's probably why i'm SO disappointed with the Caliber SRT4, because I was REALLY banking on it being the change I was looking for...)

Fair enough and your point well taken. The SRT4 was an opportunity to kick ass on all comers. To do that though, it really did need to be AWD. Perhaps if the car / mopar gods deem it so, we might see the car first hinted at. I for one would pay more if the total package offered both domination and value. Perhaps this version will outsell projections and provide some impetus on the version we really do want. It still is going to be a quick, cool car

DaveMcd · Jul 23, 2007

Now that the new Caliber SRT is known to be slower than the old, I'm looking to keep my 2005 SRT. I wanted to add a phase 1 upgrade kit. But the Dodge parts catalog specifies this package is not recommended for road use. Probably means passing test for a sticker. Has anyone added a turbo upgrade and subsequently been turned down for a sticker?

I noticed the Mazda Speed3 puts out 280 torque which is more than the 260 for the Caliber. Funny to have a Caliber with a hood scoop, big wheels and etc., and have a little Mazda blow it away in a quarter mile.

Dave

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