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snikies.... they my as well wait until the spring, not many people in the northern US and Canada going to want to get their new car right before the snow comes. having to buy 18" wheels and snow tires right away and having to subject your new toy to the harshness of winter ought to slow down the initial demand
 

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TechMan said:
Do you think Dodge is trying to drive away potential sales by delaying release? Maybe they heard you are in the market and have decided to screw Ironside.:rolleyes:

I have had my fair share of issues over the years with Dodge and those in the local dealership would disagree with your thinking I kiss their ass. On occasion, its its more like kicking some.:)

I'm sure Dodge had best intentions but remember, projections do not always come off as planned. Your frustration is probably shared by many, including Dodge.

You are impatient and quick to diss a car that already has proven itself on tracks and in competition. Your posts continue to be blatantly negative seemingly based only on the fact it was not released on time to meet your schedule. If you want to diss the car, go for it on faults of the car not because its late. The only "sounds" that I've heard / read were flattering from those that have driven one. The other "sounds" here are youthful whining.

If you can't wait any longer, move on, buy something else. **** happens. Really. Get over it.
If Dodge was to launch in the (this past) spring it would be competing against the MS3, the new Golf R32, and the new Impreza WRX at full hype. Competitors were dominating the magazine covers and other press activities and dealers were in full swing with inventory.

Comming into that market (semi saturated) with a new product is hard to stand out in besides the few enthusiasts that watch its every move... by coming out in the fall Dodge gets the final word if you will on the hot hatch market press and is likely to get some more attention. it also reduces the demands on the supply chain and discounting trends on the new product as they can control demand throughout the winter and ramp up into spring when all the R32's are accounted for, the 08 MS3 is running out of inventory and won't be extended into 09 etc.

It really only has the hhr ss to deal with which shouldn't be much of a problem in terms of sales from next spring forward... it's hard to explain but if you launch a product into a market that doesn't have alot of momentum as described in the scenario above it's difficult/if not impossible to recover that momentum, whereas delaying a little bit can actually in the long run be a better thing for the product/comany
 

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TechMan said:
Uhh...that's quite creative thinking.:rolleyes: That logic could apply if they thought the car would not compare well and suffer media criticism on comparo's of the cars you mention. On the other hand, current info indicates quite the opposite and it would have been way more advantageous for Dodge to get it out, dominate the comparo's, and enjoy the early exclusivity and market demand. I can't agree with your scenario. More likely a supply / logistics, or last minute engineering tweak is causing the additional delay.

It sure would be nice to get the car released so we can all move forward on this and get to the fun stuff.:)
Glad you appreciate the theory, take it for what it is but in my line of work I am responsible for new product introductions, revenue & market share for a several hundred million USD annual business in a non automotive sector and you'd be suprised at the strategies behind demand generation.

I don't believe the srt4 will dominate the comparo's as you've suggested, but that is just my personal opinion... we'll have to wait and see on that one
 

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Ahhh.....the conspiracy dark side of marketers.:) I take your experience in these matters at face value but doubt the SRT4 Caliber delay is that sophisticated.
Very true, the actual delay as you said like originated as engineering, material contraints and or union labour agrements however i am sure at some point, somewhere in a boardroom somebody is trying to assign a spin strategy to it lol. and unless you work there we'll never know the real reasons behind the delays
 
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