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I was just wondering what everyones thoughts are about ABS. I know its standard on the R/T and optional on the SE/SXT. I choose this as one of my options because I've never had ABS before, but from what I've heard its a lot better for slippery/wet conditions..

Does anyone have any experiences using the ABS in their Caliber yet?
 

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I have a Caliber SE and ABS came standard on it. I think it's kicked in a couple of times at least and it feels like it works very well. I can't remember for sure if I used on a wet/slippery road, but the times I've used it, it's worked well. My dad's Stratus has ABS and it works very well also. I think Dodge has done very well with their ABS systems. :)
 

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Calibershark7 said:
I have a Caliber SE and ABS came standard on it...
Interesting. I checked the Dodge website and sure enough, in the USA ABS is standard on all models, in Canada it is only standard on the R/T.
 

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I thought ABS was standard on the SXT and RT models? That was one of those things that impressed me about the car, seems like most other manufacuters (even Chrysler/Dodge on other models) charge extra for the feature.
 

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When I ordered my SXT I had to add on ABS. I also looked on both Dodge.ca and Dodge.com and for the SE and SXT it is not a standard option from what I can see.
 

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I was just looking around as well. Guess I was mistaken. At least there's the airbags :)
 

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Yes, airbags are good. I would have liked a 4-wheel disc option for the SXT. I almost think I should have waited for the FWD R/T. I just don't want to cancel and wait another 15 weeks for my car.
 

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I was thinking about the FWD R/T as well when I heard it was finally available, but by then mine was already being built. Oh well :)
 

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If you get the 2 liter with the CVT, then Anti-Lock Brakes come standard. So the only way you don't have anti-lock brakes is if you have the 1.8 Liter w/5-speed manual and didn't opt to get anti-lock brakes.
 

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I too wish there was a 4 wheel disc brake option. Almost think 4-wheel discs should be stadard n every vehicle anymore with all the test showing how much better they are for braking.
 

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Having the 4 wheel disc brakes and ABS was one of the major reasons I bought an R/T. It also comes with a feature I can't remember the name of that applies maximum brake pressure when it detects and hard braking situation, to help you get to a stop as quick as possible. I've had to test the brakes pretty well more than once, and it always amazes me how quick this 3300 lb car stops.
 

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In Finland and I think that all European models (SE & SXT and 1.8 man to 2.0 CVT) ABS-brakes are standard.
 

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I've never been impressed with ABS. On the vehicles I've driven with ABS on snowy roads it's caused me more aggravation than anything else. Seems to release at the wrong time. On my Isuzu Amigo I found I could pump the brakes far better than the ABS did and better control my slowing or stopping. Maybe they've improved on newer cars?
 

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Huff said:
I've never been impressed with ABS. On the vehicles I've driven with ABS on snowy roads it's caused me more aggravation than anything else. Seems to release at the wrong time. On my Isuzu Amigo I found I could pump the brakes far better than the ABS did and better control my slowing or stopping. Maybe they've improved on newer cars?
It has improved on newer cars, but there is still no replacement for just knowing how to control your vehicle. ABS works good if you are a person who panic brakes, or has never really learned how to drive. It also gives you more steering control shou\ddl you find yourself in a situation where you do have to brake hard and still try to turn.
 

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It has improved on newer cars, but there is still no replacement for just knowing how to control your vehicle. ABS works good if you are a person who panic brakes, or has never really learned how to drive. It also gives you more steering control shou\ddl you find yourself in a situation where you do have to brake hard and still try to turn.
Agreed. The most important aspect of ABS is maintaining steering control. Front wheel lockup takes away steering control in an emergency manoeuver. Without ABS, and with wheel lockup, you are done. Most drivers in this situation do not have the presence of mind to manually modulate to compensate. Snow and ice are the worst for this.
 

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Agreed. The most important aspect of ABS is maintaining steering control. Front wheel lockup takes away steering control in an emergency manoeuver. Without ABS, and with wheel lockup, you are done. Most drivers in this situation do not have the presence of mind to manually modulate to compensate. Snow and ice are the worst for this.
Wouldn't buy a vehicle without ABS. They saved me from being hunted down and killed by pre-teen little girls. A few years ago we were taking the pop group N*Sync to the airport in two new E350 vans when our police escort did something stupid by tailgating some guy in the fast lane. The guy wouldn't move over so the idiot hit the strobes and siren. Scared the crap out of the guy and he jammed on his brakes. The next thing I see is the Crown Vic sliding sideways in front of me. I locked up the brakes but because of the ABS was able to steer around on the right. Except for pasta salad all over the vans nobody was hurt but the cops ego took a battering from one of the bodyguards who called him every name in the book.:cool:
 

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Having the 4 wheel disc brakes and ABS was one of the major reasons I bought an R/T. It also comes with a feature I can't remember the name of that applies maximum brake pressure when it detects and hard braking situation, to help you get to a stop as quick as possible. I've had to test the brakes pretty well more than once, and it always amazes me how quick this 3300 lb car stops.

You are talking about Brake Assist which is included with the AWD system.



I wonder if you get an SXT with ESP (Electronic Stability Control) it if comes with 4-wheel disc brakes?

I agree..drum brakes are a PITA, not to mention the discs look a lot better than some round hunk of metal inside your rear wheels. Also as everyone already pointed out, they also stop better.

Keep in mind that one of the main purposes of ABS is to keep control of the vehicle in slippery conditions, not necessarily stop faster. Yes, ABS in most cases will make you stop faster, but the primary advantage of having ABS is to maintain control of the vehicle under heavy braking in slippery conditions.
 

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Huff said:
I've never been impressed with ABS. On the vehicles I've driven with ABS on snowy roads it's caused me more aggravation than anything else. Seems to release at the wrong time. On my Isuzu Amigo I found I could pump the brakes far better than the ABS did and better control my slowing or stopping. Maybe they've improved on newer cars?
My first experience with ABS was on a 1988 Audi 90. It made a horrible grinding sound and worked, but I still had to pump the brakes to slow down quickly, otherwise I would end up in the middle of any intersection. Granted the wheels didn't lock up but what good would that do when you end up halfway out into oncoming traffic. But with some pumping, it seemed to work alright, and had an on/off switch so I could disengage the ABS if I wanted. My 96 Isuzu Rodeo has rear ABS which helps alot with fishtailing during hard stops on slick roads, but the fronts still lock so I have to pump. I was told that pumping on ABS was counter-productive, so I will have to "practice" with the Caliber when I get it so I know how to stop on ice.

Between that and having to re-learn acceleration with the CVT and how to operate the new Cruise Control, it's going to be like learning to drive all over again :)
 

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I might be mistaken, but I think TRAC CONTROL requires ABS.
 

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So what I'm reading here is that the majority of drivers (in this thread)can manually pump the brakes faster than the computer can?

Seeing as it applies and releases at about 10 times per second to aviod brake lockup I find that extreemly hard to believe....unless you are a crack head and just got done having a dose. ;)

Now as for the people who say that their ABS doesn't work correctly and can stop faster using the "pump" method....perhapse your ABS wasn't functioning properly.

In the CF we have ABS on our LAVIIIs and these things weigh in at about 25 tons. The systems that are in those vehicles are the exact same as what is in your average car....only ubersized for this application.

I have seen the odd moron in my unit think that he can stop a LAV on ice on a dime by using the old pump method and was proven wrong time and time again. Not only that but he couldn't even steer properly and avoid obstacles.....

Made for a bit of a mess. Wish I had pictures.....

The way that you apply vehicles with ABS is to mash the pedal down and hold it and concentrate on the freaking road....the car will do the rest. All you have to do is steer and avoid.

That's the whole purpose of it. Saw a woman once get into an accident. I went up to ask her if her ABS was not working (after doing first aid on her) and all she said is "The pedal made all kinds of noises and I let off"

It will get you to a stop more efficiently than you can on your own....if you let it.

Get familiar with it when the snow starts to fly....I know I'll be getting my frau on base for some practice.

My $0.02 worth.

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