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Original specs that was released by various news articles showed the following HP/TQ numbers:

1.8L 148 HP/ 125 Ft.Lbs.Tq.
2.0L 158 HP/ 141 Ft.Lbs.Tq.
2.4L 172 HP/ 165 Ft.Lbs.Tq.

Now according to the Dodge website the following:

1.8L 143 HP/ 124 Ft.Lbs.Tq. @ 6400RPM
2.0L 150 HP/ 135 Ft.Lbs.Tq. @ 6400RPM
2.4L 173 HP/ 164 Ft.Lbs.Tq. @ 6000RPM ---Actually increse in HP

Maybe HP at the Wheels not Crank?
Different RPM?

Can anyone explain??
 

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New SAE spec test conditions result in lower numbers for most cars. More important is rate of acceleration, e,g, time to 60 mph. ;)

I am sure the car mags will soon be testing Caliber and comparing it to its nearest competitors. That's the key spec. :)
 

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Here's the list according to lowest price [based on last known high-end MSRP]

price - HP/TQ - Car(year)

$17,000 - 138/136 - Tiburon GS (06)
$17,880 - 164/125 - Corolla XRS (06)
$18,300 - 175/180 - Sentra SE-R SpecV (06)
$18,830 - 170/145 - Focus SVT (04)
$19,800 - 173/165 - Caliber R/T AWD
$21,565 - 205/200 - Cobalt SS-S/C (06)
$21,940 - 197/139 - Civic Si (06)
$25,400 - 168/162 - Cooper S (06)
$27,030 - 150/150 - Saleen-Focus N20 (05)
$33,700 - 300/300 - WRX STi (06)
$35,200 - 286/289 - Lancer Evo MR (06)

$N/A - 300/260 - Caliber SRT-4 (hp/tq based on dodge.com info)
$N/A - 215/199 - MazdaSpeed 3 (hp/tq based on mazad6 engine said to be in it)
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top 3:
$21,565 - 205/200 - Cobalt SS-S/C (06)
$18,300 - 175/180 - Sentra SE-R SpecV (06)
$19,800 - 173/165 - Caliber R/T AWD

sentra se-r specV seems to have the best deal.. 175hp/180tq for 18,300, with cobalt being a lil more $ for the extra 25/20.. and supercharger.. and caliber coming in the middle of the price-range w/ the least hp/tq .. [of the 3]
 

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Vision67 said:
New SAE spec test conditions result in lower numbers for most cars. More important is rate of acceleration, e,g, time to 60 mph. ;)

I am sure the car mags will soon be testing Caliber and comparing it to its nearest competitors. That's the key spec. :)
I thought I read somewhere about that, but wasn't sure if it actually was being applied, so I guess it is. Thanks for the clarification, and yeah, 0-60 will really tell!
 

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Xtreme Thunder said:
Original specs that was released by various news articles showed the following HP/TQ numbers:

1.8L 148 HP/ 125 Ft.Lbs.Tq.
2.0L 158 HP/ 141 Ft.Lbs.Tq.
2.4L 172 HP/ 165 Ft.Lbs.Tq.

Now according to the Dodge website the following:

1.8L 143 HP/ 124 Ft.Lbs.Tq. @ 6400RPM
2.0L 150 HP/ 135 Ft.Lbs.Tq. @ 6400RPM
2.4L 173 HP/ 164 Ft.Lbs.Tq. @ 6000RPM ---Actually increse in HP

Maybe HP at the Wheels not Crank?
Different RPM?

Can anyone explain??
It could be any number of issues but I believe to know the reason behind this.

Unfortunately our website is not updated as much as we would like and occasionally there are two sets of conflicting numbers for the Caliber. I believe the original (bottom) figures that were posted online may have been the estimated SAE testing figures where the top are the SAE test results.

As far as we know, our information is the most current. I posted the below specs on another thread and they seem to coincide with the above figures.

1.8L FWD w/ Man5 (148hp @ 6,500 / 125lb-ft @ 5,200) 28 city / 35 h/w
2.0L FWD w/ CVT2 (158hp @ 6,400 / 141lb-ft @ 5,000) 28 city / 34 h/w
2.4L AWD w/ CVT2 (172hp @ 6,000 / 165lb-ft @ 4,400) 25 city / 31 h/w

Hope that helps resolve things,
Dan
 

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Ooo, I've got more horsepower than I thought.

Sweet...
 

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Thanks Dan,

When are they going to update their site? It seems as though they take forever because the Neon and Neon Srt-4 are still listed and they don't even make them any more.
 

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Xtreme Thunder said:
Thanks Dan,

When are they going to update their site? It seems as though they take forever because the Neon and Neon Srt-4 are still listed and they don't even make them any more.
We don't have a timeline on when it will be updated because another department handles anything website related. Occasionally we will notice inaccuracies and send off a notice to Quality Assurance who in turn sends it to the website guys/gals.

I assume everything thing will be corrected (including the removal of the Neon/SRT-4) when they do the next large update around spring.

Dan
 

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seems lower


DodgeInfoCenter said:
It could be any number of issues but I believe to know the reason behind this.

Unfortunately our website is not updated as much as we would like and occasionally there are two sets of conflicting numbers for the Caliber. I believe the original (bottom) figures that were posted online may have been the estimated SAE testing figures where the top are the SAE test results.

As far as we know, our information is the most current. I posted the below specs on another thread and they seem to coincide with the above figures.

1.8L FWD w/ Man5 (148hp @ 6,500 / 125lb-ft @ 5,200) 28 city / 35 h/w
2.0L FWD w/ CVT2 (158hp @ 6,400 / 141lb-ft @ 5,000) 28 city / 34 h/w
2.4L AWD w/ CVT2 (172hp @ 6,000 / 165lb-ft @ 4,400) 25 city / 31 h/w

Hope that helps resolve things,
Dan
 

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according to this the RT has over 30MPG highway. That seems more in line with the CVT and modern engines. I've been reading (from non offical sources) 23 city 26 highway. It seemed a little low.
tell me this isnt a typo Dodge guy.
Yeah I would like to know that too because the R/T would be something I would consider if it got the 25/31, that is the same as my Neon pretty much. More HP without sacraficing MPG is a good thing. I will also have to see what people post about their actual mileage on the forums.
 

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Here's the list according to lowest price [based on last known high-end MSRP]

price - HP/TQ - Car(year)

$17,000 - 138/136 - Tiburon GS (06)
$17,880 - 164/125 - Corolla XRS (06)
$18,300 - 175/180 - Sentra SE-R SpecV (06)
$18,830 - 170/145 - Focus SVT (04)
$19,800 - 173/165 - Caliber R/T AWD
$21,565 - 205/200 - Cobalt SS-S/C (06)
$21,940 - 197/139 - Civic Si (06)
$25,400 - 168/162 - Cooper S (06)
$27,030 - 150/150 - Saleen-Focus N20 (05)
$33,700 - 300/300 - WRX STi (06)
$35,200 - 286/289 - Lancer Evo MR (06)

$N/A - 300/260 - Caliber SRT-4 (hp/tq based on dodge.com info)
$N/A - 215/199 - MazdaSpeed 3 (hp/tq based on mazad6 engine said to be in it)
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top 3:
$21,565 - 205/200 - Cobalt SS-S/C (06)
$18,300 - 175/180 - Sentra SE-R SpecV (06)
$19,800 - 173/165 - Caliber R/T AWD

sentra se-r specV seems to have the best deal.. 175hp/180tq for 18,300, with cobalt being a lil more $ for the extra 25/20.. and supercharger.. and caliber coming in the middle of the price-range w/ the least hp/tq .. [of the 3]
hi all, first post! my buddy who is in afganistan will be getting a caliber srt when he gets home. i try to keep up with all my friends cars.

but u forgot some cars on ur list...

$23,598 - 230/235 - WRX TR (06)
$17,000 - 160/165 - Scion TC (06)
$23,000 - 330/240 - RSX Type-S (03) <--------ME
 

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i was really worried about these cars when i first heard about them, but im really impressed. they look like they have some good performance. and i like all the features, like the boston sound system, the ac plug port, and all the storage. they look pretty good too, there not too big.
 

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lebowski1 said:
according to this the RT has over 30MPG highway. That seems more in line with the CVT and modern engines. I've been reading (from non offical sources) 23 city 26 highway. It seemed a little low.
tell me this isnt a typo Dodge guy.
I don't expect the Caliber R/T to get similar figures as the 06 Neon (29/35) and here is why.

First, the Caliber is 718lbs (3308 vs. 2590) heavier then a 05 Neon SE/SXT. Secondly, the AWD drive train represents greater mechanical loss then a FWD drive train. Third, EPA fuel economy testing was overhauled for the 07 model year. All of these factors attribute to the "low" city/highway ratings but they are more realistic.

Much like Xtreme Thunder stated, I suggest speaking with Caliber owners and see what sort of mileage they are getting in regular everyday driving.

Dan
 

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suzq044 said:
Here's the list according to lowest price [based on last known high-end MSRP]
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$N/A - 300/260 - Caliber SRT-4 (hp/tq based on dodge.com info)
$N/A - 215/199 - MazdaSpeed 3 (hp/tq based on mazad6 engine said to be in it)
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I'm a Mazda3 owner, but not here to heckle...just point out an error I noticed.

The Mazdaspeed3 will NOT get the 215hp/199ft-lbs V6 from the Mazda6. It WILL get the 2.3L direct-injection turbo4 from the MazdaSPEED6. The MS6 makes 274/280, but thru AWD. For the FWD Mazdaspeed3, the same engine will run 250hp & 280 ft-lbs.

I think the Mazdaspeed3 (250/280) and new SRT-4 (300/260) are both going to be superb machines, and I can't wait to see how they match up in comparisons next year.

PS - I test drove 3 '04 SRT-4's before I bought my Mazda3. It's too bad a 5-door wasn't available back then like will be with the Caliber, or I would probably be driving a Dodge right now. Coming from an '89 Probe turbo, I really miss that low-end torque!!
 

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Here's the list according to lowest price [based on last known high-end MSRP]
snip........

top 3:
$21,565 - 205/200 - Cobalt SS-S/C (06)
$18,300 - 175/180 - Sentra SE-R SpecV (06)
$19,800 - 173/165 - Caliber R/T AWD

sentra se-r specV seems to have the best deal.. 175hp/180tq for 18,300, with cobalt being a lil more $ for the extra 25/20.. and supercharger.. and caliber coming in the middle of the price-range w/ the least hp/tq .. [of the 3]
Maybe the "best deal" as far as HP/ft#torque.. but don't forget the Caliber comes with AWD for that price.......:D
 

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True, I was going to point that out...

Yeah the MS3 should be a good competitor..:D
 
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