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Anyone look into or changed their headlights yet? I was thinking about a conversion but I'm not sure if I wanna spend that much without seeing it first. Also what do you guys think about the Eurolite bulbs that you can stick in and they have a great look.

Has anyone replaced the headlights, is it hard to get in/out of there?

Thanks.
 

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I just replaced mine yesterday as a matter of fact. Got some off ebay for $65 for heallights and fogs. There xenon ice/white set...6500k. I'll get some pics put up soon. I thing it looks really good...Kinda reminds me of the more expensive cars like benz and mercedes.
 

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^^ i did the same thing about a month ago... they look good, payed about the same price. a guy on ebay is always selling um.
 

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Are the light bulbs easy to get at?
 

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honestly, i just got um because the bumbs from close up glow light blue... and my cars light blue, so i thought it looked good.... primarily just an excuse for me to piss away $60 though honestly.
 

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rcompart said:
Wow, after some time xenons are cool. Heck 4 months ago I got flamed for bringing these and real HIDs up.:confused:
Hey I am all for HID's as an option!:D:D I would get them, the better I can see at night the better.:cool:
 

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Darren07RT said:
honestly, i just got um because the bumbs from close up glow light blue... and my cars light blue, so i thought it looked good.... primarily just an excuse for me to piss away $60 though honestly.
That is funny. :D :D I did the same thing on the PT- there is no benefit otherwise.

Good articles about "blue bulbs" here: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/blue/blue.html
 

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what wattage of bulbs does the caliber take, im thinking of changing mine too.
 

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The difference is that a true factory Xenon kit will have projectors instead of a freaking reflecting dish with bright-ass bulbs in them.

Really... I've seen too many people see a headlight that is scattering blinding light all over and think "now I can see better, this lighting setup rules."

I have a hint for you, drive around with your stock high beams on and marvel at how well you can see. Then consider the reason you cannot drive around like that is because you're now a gigantic road hazard.

But then, people don't really care - because they want their HIDs to light up everything in front of them because of how cool it is.

Some cars come from the factory with stock Halogen projectors. These are basically just your normal halogen lights that happen to be housed in a projector that has a curved lens. If you put an aftermarket HID in this type of setup, often times you still get a decent cutoff that doesn't blind people. The Caliber is 100% definitely not this type of car.

If your headlights are set up correctly, you could stand about 20 feet in front of your car and stare straight at your grille without having to shield your eyes. I've seen enough Honduh's, Pontiacs, Escorts, whatever with amazingly bright beams just because the driver thinks that if they pull up to their garage door and see some type of horizontal line, then they have a cutoff that works for their cars. But in actuality they're being asshats with really freaking bright headlights.

I'm all for fun mods - just not ones that blatantly make your car a hazard on the road. Silverstars are one thing, a HID setup in your Caliber is another. Please for the love of god respect other drivers enough to not blind them.
 

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It would definately have to be a factory engineered spec (stock), I don't mess with the other "kits"

6500K does not mean it is brighter, it just means that the color temperature is different, hence a "bluish" color. Same with silverstar, 3500-4000K temp. color, hence a whiter look to it. (Silverstar's are great, I have them on my current car.:D;):))

Remember, any filter on any light, WILL produce less light. Yes they look cool IMO, but also could be considered a waste of money.

Remember getting higher wattage bulbs say increasing from 55/60 to 80/100 (usually offroad use only):cool: you may need to upgrade the wiring as the stock set-up may not handle it, and you may get many drivers angry!


Just some thought on this type of lighting. I say if it comes factory it is fine, but most of the aftermarket is questionable, unless, again, it is engineered for the specific application.
 

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Wiki has a neat writeup on the HIDs- vehicles with true HID lights also require some kind of load levelling device (Nivmat shocks for example) or a light level dial (European models have this) to ensure that the light is aimed properly regardless of the load/level of the vehicle.

Vehicles equipped with HID headlamps are required by ECE regulation 48 also to be equipped with headlamp lens cleaning systems and automatic beam levelling control. Both of these measures are intended to reduce the tendency for high-output headlamps to cause high levels of glare to other road users.
 

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The last set of HID bulbs that I got for my Accent were the same wattage as the stock bulbs. Can anyone verify what the stock wattage is for the Caliber?
 

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Tigerr said:
The last set of HID bulbs that I got for my Accent were the same wattage as the stock bulbs. Can anyone verify what the stock wattage is for the Caliber?
HID are not bulbs! HID is an anode and cathode with a projector lens. You are prolly talking about Xenon bulbs.

Those are H13 (high/low combo) and 9145 for the fog lamps. (9008s might work in the headlights)

 

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Okay, we need to backtrack here before people just get royally confused.

There are 3 types of lights being discussed here in this thread... let's isolate the 3 and keep them from going all crazy.

First, there are Halogen bulbs. These bulbs are the factory bulbs. They plug into the factory harness. They are relatively cheap. Factory bulbs emit light, but not very much. They are yellowish in color. I am not sure the specific amount of watts that the Dodge Caliber has in its headlight, but factory halogens usually require 12 volts. It's probably 55 watts. You can go aftermarket and buy some other Halogen bulbs that burn brighter. Some may not burn brighter, but simply emit a different color of light. Brighter halogens may allow you to have better visibility, but they will also be perceived to be brighter by people who see the front of the car. Therein lies the problem.

Almost all bulbs labeled as a "OEM Replacement" bulb will be halogen because very few cars come with other forms of lighting. There are 2 key components of most factory, halogen setups. First is a parabolic reflecting dish mounted behind the light to direct more light in front of the car. Second is a "filter" of sorts that filters bulb to prevent it from shining super-bright light and blinding people. In the good ol' days the filter may have just been a smokey headlight cover. Now, most headlight covers are clear, so Dodge mounts this piece of plastic over the low-beams in an attempt to block some light.


Second come HID kits. "HID Kits" have become a popular marketing term for "deluxe aftermarket lighting." HID stands for "High Intensity Discharge." They differ from halogen lights because a normal halogen headlight has a metal filamant that glows as a result of all those electrons being pumped through it. However, a HID bulb contains 2 electrodes and some noble gasses. HID lights require way more voltage than a halogen bulb. Because of this, when you install a HID kit, you usually get 2 things known as ballasts, and 2 things known as ignitors (sometimes they are integrated and you don't see the balasts and ignitors separately).

The ballasts will convert the 12 volts from your car into almost 20,000 volts (very low amps though). You need 20,000 volts to ignite the HID bulb. After the bulb is lit, it will require only about 85 volts to stay lit. However, they current draw is very low, and the overall amount of power used is 35 watts versus the 55 (or more) for halogens. HID is definitely brighter than haolgens as well. You can buy these HID kits for around $150 from some shops.

The problem with HID is not that you'll have to add ballasts to a car and you run the risk fo blowing a fuse. Rather, the problem is that the HID bulb will replace where a halogen bulb used to be. Because HID is way brighter than halogen, you're now putting a super-bright light in a reflector dish that wasn't intended for this much light output. Imagine if you put a 100w halogen bulb into your 55w halogen dish. Yes, you just increased light output. The cost is that a lot of this light output is being scattered all over the front of the car. This makes it almost as if you had your high beams on. Remember how I said Dodge put a plastic cover over your low-beam bulb? That little cover doesn't do much when you have wayyyy more light now shining in all directions.


Third, we have factory-issued Xenon Lighting. Basically, these are HID lights, but with one very very very important addition. Namely the factory xenons will be contained in a shroud with a project lense to direct light output. The shrould blocks stray light from the xenon bulbs. The lense will keep it focused out in front of the car. Also with the projector, you get a piece of metal known as a "cutoff" This simply blocks the light that would normally go above the car and keeps it low. International regulations also require newer Xenon lights to "auto-level" where they will auto-adjust to prevent the headlights from beaming their really bright light into people's eyes. Yes, they are brighter, but they are also designed to manage the brighter light.

Some cars use "bi-xenon" which simply means that high-beams and low beams are handled by the same projector. Remember that piece of metal that I said would "cutoff" the part of the beam that would normally get projected up above the road? Bi-Xenons simply contain a solenoid that can move this cutoff out of the way when you turn your high-beams on. Light going up above the road is *bad* for normal driving conditions. Factory xenons take many steps to prevent people from gazing at stray light.


Conclusion. Brighter light is not better light. However, HID lights (and Xenon lights) are brighter than stock halogen lights. But, factory xenon setups will be much more in tune with making sure your brighter light is usable, as opposed to just producing massive amounts of glare for people. Yes, both aftermarket HID and stock xenon setups will give you the "cool blue flicker." Yes, this is usually distracting to people no matter what because some studies have shown that the "whiter" light tends to make more glare. If you really really really want brighter lights (trust me, I want brigher lights too), you cannot just get cheap and buy higher-wattage halogen bulbs or a very cheap HID kit to use in your halogen headlight. Either get a car with factory xenons, or find a way to put those projectors from a factory xenon setup into your car.

The lone exceptions to this are cars with factory halogens housed inside a projector. Some cars (heck, I've even seen a Kia Optima with this) have projector housings but with halogen bulbs inside. These halogen projectors will often times contain a cutoff and good lenes. If you put an aftermarket HID setup into this halogen assembly, you will get very good light output that rivals a factory xenon setup. These type of cars have been pretty rare though.

As I said in a previous post, i've seen too many people who *think* that because they're behind the wheel that other drivers can go to hell or just not stare into their headlights when they are approaching. Or, if they're stuck in front of them in night-time rush hour, that the other drivers can go to hell as well. I don't see why some people adopt this mentality, but I really do wish that people would understand that lighing up the front of your car with much more bright light is not a good thing if it is done improperly.
 

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The people that bought their bulbs off of ebay, can you send the link? Also, does anyone know if you can get completely matching fog lights for xenon headlight bulbs?
 
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