I doubt the CAI and ECU refalsh alone will get you to 200. The headers, CAI, and C/B exhaust together supposedly make 10 hp. Of course DCx usually understate their performance claims but I dunno..
Yeah a turbo would do, but for some reason I like the sounds of a built N/A engine.caliber4whoosh said:True that. Never really thought about suspension.
But the most bang for the buck regarding the drivetrain is always forced induction. Turbos are usually cheaper too..![]()
Yes and no. A turbo takes time to spool and creates more backpressure. So supercharger is what you want if you want more power lower as the SC is always spinning and ready to boost. Turbo might make more total high end HP, but you can't beat a supercharger for immediate power and better torque. Not to mention that WICKED supercharger whine. I love that.caliber4whoosh said:Once again, forced induction, but a properly sized turbo would be more efficient on an engine of this size.
Superchargers are parasitic, their belts suck power from the engine and then produce that and then some. On V-8's they work great, on a 2.0 or 2.4 liter I-4, not so much. About 40-50% increase.
Turbo's, on the other hand, run off of the exhaust gases, so they don't suck power from the engine, instead making use of the engine's byproduct. Turbo's net about a 60-70% increase.
I never said that it was. I merely stated that it was the most "bang for the buck." Never that it was simple..holeydonut said:I don't think you can abstract a turbo to being just a single mod. While your engine gets more powerful - most stock cars aren't built to handle that type of power. The people that successfully run turbo applications on cars that are not turbocharged from the factory have to spend a lot of time tuning their motors.
Not only do you have to get the right air-fuel mixtures across the board, but you also have to do routine teardowns of the motor to make sure you're not running with damaged pistons, heads, etc. It's not just a plug and play affair you can do and then sort of forget about. To put it another way, the compression ratio of a Stock Caliber SRT4 is supposed to be 8.6:1. The Compression ratio of a 2.4L RT is 10.5:1. You can't just slap a turbo on the RT motor and expect good things on normal fuel (like stuff below 93 octane). This is ignoring the stresses to the rest of your drivetrain.
I wouldn't mess with a turbo or supercharger unless you have the knowhow to keep the car running well. A turbo isn't a new exhaust or intake - you cannot just 'set it and forget it.'
you know...it still wont stop the "kids" from blowing up their engine...common sense is something of a rare commodity in our society...holeydonut said:I don't think you can abstract a turbo to being just a single mod. While your engine gets more powerful - most stock cars aren't built to handle that type of power. The people that successfully run turbo applications on cars that are not turbocharged from the factory have to spend a lot of time tuning their motors.
Not only do you have to get the right air-fuel mixtures across the board, but you also have to do routine teardowns of the motor to make sure you're not running with damaged pistons, heads, etc. It's not just a plug and play affair you can do and then sort of forget about. To put it another way, the compression ratio of a Stock Caliber SRT4 is supposed to be 8.6:1. The Compression ratio of a 2.4L RT is 10.5:1. You can't just slap a turbo on the RT motor and expect good things on normal fuel (like stuff below 93 octane). This is ignoring the stresses to the rest of your drivetrain.
I wouldn't mess with a turbo or supercharger unless you have the knowhow to keep the car running well. A turbo isn't a new exhaust or intake - you cannot just 'set it and forget it.'
Sinan, that HAS to be your longest post ever!!!caliber4whoosh said:True that..
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Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son Reason. His three stepbrothers survive him: Rights, Tolerance and Whiner.
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.