12 sec pass...

HIGHBRED8 · Feb 23, 2009

i dont mind people from other car forums coming here and talking, and i think thats pretty obvious. but dont let this turn into trolling or come here simply to argue.

other than that welcome.

camuman · Feb 23, 2009

DvC said:
one thing not mistaken here is that you took all that time to register just to say that. hope it was worth it.

it was. :banger:

DvC · Feb 23, 2009

HIGHBRED8 said:
i dont mind people from other car forums coming here and talking, and i think thats pretty obvious. but dont let this turn into trolling or come here simply to argue.

other than that welcome.

im not sure what else either of these guys have contributed so far?

HIGHBRED8 · Feb 23, 2009

the two subi guys have been members here for a long time and 1 of them i think even owns a cali. i dont consider them trolls really. sometimes they get opinionated, which is to be expected since they own opposing platforms.

the new guy like i said, dont troll and its cool. if your here to start shiit, then save me the trouble of banning and just stop posting.

camuman · Feb 23, 2009

DvC said:
im not sure what else either of these guys have contributed so far?

a question was asked, he didnt like the answer, and said misinformation concerning powertrain setups. i offered corrected information as well as a non biased opinion. he ran 13.9. driver mod + tires is needed. the tcs system will no doubt pull timing and/or lower boost and lower trap speed to pull better et. your not going to get the best of both worlds when you hook. he would have to run slicks to get the 12 that he is looking for. i dont see whats wrong with that.

dont get testy. his trap on the 13.9 run was pretty strong. 106.6 is nice. but he is not hooking, and wont without slicks. and all the extra power will just make his problem worse. this tcs system will not fix traction like slicks will.

DvC · Feb 23, 2009

camuman said:
a question was asked, he didnt like the answer, and said misinformation concerning powertrain setups. i offered corrected information as well as a non biased opinion. he ran 13.9. driver mod + tires is needed. the tcs system will no doubt pull timing and/or lower boost and lower trap speed to pull better et. your not going to get the best of both worlds when you hook. he would have to run slicks to get the 12 that he is looking for. i dont see whats wrong with that.

dont get testy. his trap on the 13.9 run was pretty strong. 106.6 is nice. but he is not hooking, and wont without slicks. and all the extra power will just make his problem worse. this tcs system will not fix traction like slicks will.

ok...............

HIGHBRED8 · Feb 23, 2009

ok, this is heading back to page one of this thread, and nothing anyone says is going to change each others minds. this thread is just getting really old now. can we drop it for now and take it back up when he or someone with similar set up actually does a run?

that would be great. thank you.

camuman · Feb 23, 2009

i look forward to his times. when are you going to the track?

DvC · Feb 23, 2009

camuman said:
i look forward to his times. when are you going to the track?

i think he should be going summer time. maybe spring if the weather is nice. i cant wait to see!

fastyz400 · Feb 23, 2009

Met up with the guy with the AGP Test car this past friday at speedworld. Real cool guy, ran 14.1 @ 111 mph. lol No slicks or driver mods. Pure street tire Goodyear RSA 22psi.

God I love stirring the pot.

CRZYCUBAN2 · Feb 23, 2009

fastyz400 said:
Met up with the guy with the AGP Test car this past friday at speedworld. Real cool guy, ran 14.1 @ 111 mph. lol No slicks or driver mods. Pure street tire Goodyear RSA 22psi.

God I love stirring the pot.

Damn man. Thats easily a 12 second car if he could get the launch right.

fastyz400 · Feb 23, 2009

CRZYCUBAN2 said:
Damn man. Thats easily a 12 second car if he could get the launch right.

It's really funny watching the guy run. 1st & 2nd gear he's no faster than a civic. lol Then when he hooks, it takes off like a bat outa hell.

I had similar times but @106-108mph on the stock intercooler. I should be higher than that now with the agp FMIC. I plan on going out again within the next couple of weeks.

mopartodd · Feb 23, 2009

Fire_Salamander said:
YEA!

LET ME RACE ON ICE AND SNOW! In case u didnt know its winter here in the northeast. U want a 12 sec timeslip ur gonna have to wait.

I'm sure it's winter all over the country. It's a little hard to tell where you're located when you don't fill out any info on yourself.

I'm in no hurry to see your timeslip, but will be interested in seeing it when you finally have a chance to run...Good luck.

:bigthumb:

Fire_Salamander · Feb 23, 2009

gaveup said:
There you go ASSUMING that your car will make more power than a "test car". Apparently you have no clue about dynos and how their numbers change depending on the type/location or how easy it is to skew numbers on a dyno.

Also, explain to me the benefit of a map clamp with JUST a DP and nothing to control boost? Do you even know the point of a map clamp?

I am 100% sure when I say AWD is better from a dig in a 1/4 mile race. And, I can easily prove it to you with this: MY CAR WITH MUCH LESS POWER (240whp) RUNS A BETTER TIME THAN YOU CAR.

Can you please explain why my car with less power and the same weight as your car went almost down the track a half second faster than your race car? The answer, I have traction. And how do I have traction? AWD. Now, why did your car run slower than mine? Lack of traction. And why did your car not catch traction? Because it's FWD and you have weight transfer working against you. Is this really that hard for you to understand?

You have no idea what I have on my car currently, but let's put it this way, from a roll on the "highway" I am not scared of your 106mph car.

I know plenty about your cars PCM, which was a big reason I didn't buy one. You bought your car knowing all of its faults, that is YOUR mistake, not mine.

One thing I know, is that it cost me a **** ton cheaper to run a 13.4 than your car. And I can promise you it costs me A LOT less than you to run 12's also. Actually, under $1,000 in modifications will put me much deeper into the 12's than you.

Please save yourself next time by not replying with some half-assed and clearly not well thought out reply.

Before my rant I would like to let u know that 9 sec neon I mentioned is is streeted. Just to let u know ur wrong there.

*bolded first statement*
REALLY? I guess our number one vendor is lieing then, and he doesnt know what hes talking about. He also holds the record for the CSRT4.

read this and learn:

http://www.caliberforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11122

stock numbers: 272 / 257
stage 1 numbers: 294 / 313
MAP Clamp: 309 / 350

*bolded second statement*
I have stage 1, plus a bunch of bolt ons. I bought the MAP clamp and WGA, plus other goodies and am waiting to install in spring. SO yea, since u didnt read the first post and the FACT THAT I GOT A WGA TO ADJUST BOOST, I figured Id restate it since u dont like to read and just argue.

Since u didn read also, IM AT AND BELOW SEA LEVEL IN CERTAIN PARTS. << DO u know what this means in terms of HP/WTQ??

*bolded third statment*

why dont u use the search function, and search PCM problems. All ur answers lie here.

And ur car is a touch heavier because of ur lovely AWD.

*bolded 4th statment*

HAHAHA.... LOLZ, I can attest that my trap would be much higher considering Im not stock anymore u newb. Im pretty sure ur suby wouldnt stand a chance without a turbo upgrade.

*bolded fifth statement*

I think I actually peed in my pants a little laughing so hard from this one. Lemme show u a list of a WRX running a 12.46 @ 110 mph:

12.46 @ 110
APS SR40
APS DR725 FMIC
APS CAI
APS Up-Pipe
APS 3.5" TBE
Greddy Headers
GFB BOV<Blue>
APS Fuel System
Denso 550cc Inj
Walboro 255 fuel pump
Denso Iridium spark plugs 2 steps colder
Exedy Racing Clutch Cerametalic single plate
Custom EcuTek Tune by MZM International
Greddy Profec B Spec II EBC @17.5psi low and @21psi high
SAMCO BIG MAF
Perrin turbo inlet hose
Royal Purple 10w30

U see that list? Thats probly about 3-5k in parts. He needs a turbo swap to run those times, as pretty much every 12 sec WRX needs one as well. $1k to run 12's? Are u in lala land? DO u live in magical WRX fairland where stickers add 500 whp and the spoiler makes it fly? :jester: :jester:

WOW. Stop trolling and go learn something before u post negativity. If u dont like my thread than ur welcome to GTFO.

Fire_Salamander · Feb 23, 2009

camuman said:
i have two points to add.

1. 60whp/90wtq and a magic leprechaun in your pcm will not cut 1 full second off your times without slicks.

2. fwd just as fast as awd/rwd from dig with endless money? wrong. whats the fastest FWD drag car? and then whats the fastest RWD/AWD car in teh same powerclass? exactly. sorry dude, your using the ancient artform called benchinomics. do the mods, go to teh track. then you will realize things are very different when you actually do them and test. marketing is a powerful thing, they tell you want you want to hear

*bolded first statment*

hello troll with one post. The record for fastest 4 cylinder is held by GM. Guess what it is?

7.45 @ 199 mph

FWD ECOTEC. WOWIE! ISNT THAT SOMETHING! I GUESS TROLLS LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY!

*bolded second*

As I stated before with ur buddy, why dont u go ahead and read that thread I posted. Im pretty sure Aaron isnt full of ****. U probly dont even know what RT is though huh troll?

I will conclude with this:

now GTFO of my thread.

gaveup · Feb 23, 2009

Fire_Salamander said:
Before my rant I would like to let u know that 9 sec neon I mentioned is is streeted. Just to let u know ur wrong there.

*bolded first statement*
REALLY? I guess our number one vendor is lieing then, and he doesnt know what hes talking about. He also holds the record for the CSRT4.

read this and learn:

http://www.caliberforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11122

stock numbers: 272 / 257
stage 1 numbers: 294 / 313
MAP Clamp: 309 / 350

*bolded second statement*
I have stage 1, plus a bunch of bolt ons. I bought the MAP clamp and WGA, plus other goodies and am waiting to install in spring. SO yea, since u didnt read the first post and the FACT THAT I GOT A WGA TO ADJUST BOOST, I figured Id restate it since u dont like to read and just argue.

Since u didn read also, IM AT AND BELOW SEA LEVEL IN CERTAIN PARTS. << DO u know what this means in terms of HP/WTQ??

*bolded third statment*

why dont u use the search function, and search PCM problems. All ur answers lie here.

And ur car is a touch heavier because of ur lovely AWD.

*bolded 4th statment*

HAHAHA.... LOLZ, I can attest that my trap would be much higher considering Im not stock anymore u newb. Im pretty sure ur suby wouldnt stand a chance without a turbo upgrade.

*bolded fifth statement*

I think I actually peed in my pants a little laughing so hard from this one. Lemme show u a list of a WRX running a 12.46 @ 110 mph:

12.46 @ 110
APS SR40
APS DR725 FMIC
APS CAI
APS Up-Pipe
APS 3.5" TBE
Greddy Headers
GFB BOV<Blue>
APS Fuel System
Denso 550cc Inj
Walboro 255 fuel pump
Denso Iridium spark plugs 2 steps colder
Exedy Racing Clutch Cerametalic single plate
Custom EcuTek Tune by MZM International
Greddy Profec B Spec II EBC @17.5psi low and @21psi high
SAMCO BIG MAF
Perrin turbo inlet hose
Royal Purple 10w30

U see that list? Thats probly about 3-5k in parts. He needs a turbo swap to run those times, as pretty much every 12 sec WRX needs one as well. $1k to run 12's? Are u in lala land? DO u live in magical WRX fairland where stickers add 500 whp and the spoiler makes it fly? :jester: :jester:

WOW. Stop trolling and go learn something before u post negativity. If u dont like my thread than ur welcome to GTFO.

You put examples of *1* car that has a lot of modifications and ran a piss poor time. I can pretty much do that for ANY car. That really doesn't prove anything. Since your so hard pressed to ride otherr peoples cars. let's look at this thread here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1630157&page=6

"3" Turboback
Hallman MBC
Cold Air Intake
Perrin EL Manifold

Tuned by ED@EQTUNING on California 91oct"

Oh man, 4 mods, and what did he run? 12.4@109

Then there is this one.....
11.95@112:

Ecutek reflash
3" Turboback
Injen CAI
Hallman MBC
Walbro Fuel pump
Nitto Drag tires
Pump gas mixed with VP (around 100 OCT)

I can tell you this, I have the same if not more than these cars and it cost me less than $1000 to get there. Turbo upgrade? Probably, but I don't really NEED to say that now do I?

Fire_Salamander · Feb 24, 2009

gaveup said:
You put examples of *1* car that has a lot of modifications and ran a piss poor time. I can pretty much do that for ANY car. That really doesn't prove anything. Since your so hard pressed to ride otherr peoples cars. let's look at this thread here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1630157&page=6

"3" Turboback
Hallman MBC
Cold Air Intake
Perrin EL Manifold

Tuned by ED@EQTUNING on California 91oct"

Oh man, 4 mods, and what did he run? 12.4@109

Then there is this one.....
11.95@112:

Ecutek reflash
3" Turboback
Injen CAI
Hallman MBC
Walbro Fuel pump
Nitto Drag tires
Pump gas mixed with VP (around 100 OCT)

I can tell you this, I have the same if not more than these cars and it cost me less than $1000 to get there. Turbo upgrade? Probably, but I don't really NEED to say that now do I?

Those are STI's. U dont seem to have an STI unless u lied before. And if u do have an STI running 240 whp I would be seriously pissed if I was u. STI = bigger turbo and more displacement for ur model year. U show me a WRX without a turbo upgrade running mid to low 12's.

Did u forget u own an base WRX? Wow man, u dont even know what model and trim ur driving.....

gaveup · Feb 24, 2009

Fire_Salamander said:
Those are STI's. U dont seem to have an STI unless u lied before. And if u do have an STI running 240 whp I would be seriously pissed if I was u. STI = bigger turbo and more displacement for ur model year. U show me a WRX without a turbo upgrade running mid to low 12's.

Did u forget u own an base WRX? Wow man, u dont even know what model and trim ur driving.....

Here is where you're wrong: "More displacement". Both are 2.5L engines. Only difference in the engine itself is the wrx 2.5L (EJ255) is the wrx engine has a slightly higher compression ratio. This means that it makes MORE power with an sti turbo (VF39). I've already run several STI's and put at least 4-5 cars on them by 100, and these were from a roll. Not to mention the "base" wrx weights a significant amount less. The 240whp/290wtq I listed was on stock turbo with exhaust and flash only. I have a decent amount of work done to my car since. Regardless, my 240whp BASE WRX still went down the 1/4 mile faster than your car.

For the record, a decent amount of sti's only put down 230-250whp stock. Yet, still run faster than *your* car.

Before you open your mouth and try to tell me something about *my* car, you should do some research prior to making such an ignorant comment. I hear so much talking coming from you, but not a single time YOU have run to back anything up.

You lose.

GSX-RBOY · Feb 24, 2009

My FWD mom can piss furhter then your AWD sister.

desertsoldier22 · Feb 24, 2009

gaveup said:
Here is where you're wrong: "More displacement". Both are 2.5L engines. Only difference in the engine itself is the wrx 2.5L (EJ255) is the wrx engine has a slightly higher compression ratio. This means that it makes MORE power with an sti turbo (VF39). I've already run several STI's and put at least 4-5 cars on them by 100, and these were from a roll. Not to mention the "base" wrx weights a significant amount less. The 240whp/290wtq I listed was on stock turbo with exhaust and flash only. I have a decent amount of work done to my car since. Regardless, my 240whp BASE WRX still went down the 1/4 mile faster than your car.

For the record, a decent amount of sti's only put down 230-250whp stock. Yet, still run faster than *your* car.

Before you open your mouth and try to tell me something about *my* car, you should do some research prior to making such an ignorant comment. I hear so much talking coming from you, but not a single time YOU have run to back anything up.

You lose.

Not to rain on your parade but I would kill myself if the $30,000 flagship model of Subaru got raped by a car that cost $23,500 and also happened to be a Dodge. But, a quick car is a car with a good power to weight ratio. Not something that can leave a stoplight really fast, with AWD grip. A stock Caliber SRT-4 does have a considerable advantage in P/W category. It also has a larger turbo than even the VF39, VVT, 9:1 compression and a much stronger engine. The STI is a nice car don't get me wrong, but the CSRT is a better value. (Plus I can actually reach my spark plugs):jester:

Also the EJ25 did not arrive till the 2006 model year, until then the EJ20 was the motor used. Also in Japan the EJ20 was the STI motor until 2007....USDM STI's had the 2.5.
Most people don't start trolling until they are scared of competition, but you don't see me bragging about my old '01 T.M.E. Evo and dogging on these guys. Hell... the very idea that a domestic company even cares about turbocharged sport compacts is very gratifying.

12 sec pass...

Are 12's possible?

Yes

No

HIGHBRED8

camuman

DvC

HIGHBRED8

camuman

DvC

HIGHBRED8

camuman

DvC

fastyz400

CRZYCUBAN2

fastyz400

mopartodd

Fire_Salamander

Fire_Salamander

gaveup

Fire_Salamander

gaveup

GSX-RBOY

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